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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - opihikao - 01-09-2017
Dr. Ku Kahakalau is the witness today. It would behoove all of us to listen to her testimony for balance, for clarity, and for "ike" (insight) of what our Hawaiian values are. She is giving a very in depth explanation on the basis of our culture.
Her educational background is vast, her testimony defies superlatives, as do her overall credentials. As to Mauna Kea, she is giving quite a historic education to all.
Watch live on Channel 53, Na Leo TV, or online at http://naleo.tv/Channel-53/
Frankly, some of the continued comments here offend me as a Hawaiian, and are really not worth explaining, or countering. In closing, I stand with Ku Kahakalau in her opinion, not with regard to just TMT, but overall as to our cultural beliefs.
Pau.
P.S. Forgot to mention, our ohana has Kupuna iwi on Mauna Kea, just for the record. Kahuna Nui, Ali'i, and Kupuna (most recent burial was 1981). Locations are not discussed, nor known (except by the chosen ones). FWIW.
JMO.
ETA: The "P.S." burial comment
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 01-09-2017
The "P.S." burial comment
I apologize if my comment about Mauna Kea and burials offended you opihikao. Please allow me to clarify. I know there are graves and cemetery sites on the mountain. My comment was intended to characterize the summit specifically, the area in contention where the observatories are located. I would agree it's even a safe assumption that if you consider and include the last thousand years of human existence on the Big Island there may even be grave sites near the peak as well, but the narrative of the Protectors is that the summit area is a large visible cemetery. I have seen comments by people not in Hawaii who read their depictions, and unfortunately it creates a very distorted view of what is to be found on Mauna Kea's summit.
I'm sorry for the lack of clarity in my comment. May those buried on Mauna Kea rest in peace.
"Only fear real things, such as minds full of delusions." -Last Aphorisms
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Aaron S - 01-09-2017
The judge issued a written ruling on the TMT's sublease on January 6th,2017. In short, the court ruled another contested case hearing has to be held before a valid sublease can be granted.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 01-09-2017
Aaron - do you have a link for that written ruling?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Aaron S - 01-09-2017
quote:
Originally posted by TomK
Aaron - do you have a link for that written ruling?
I can e-mail it to you. My e-mail is
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 01-09-2017
Thank you, Aaron. I think things now hinge on how fast the appeal process takes and whether it's successful, but suspect this is the final nail in the TMT's coffin.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 01-09-2017
With respect, Opihikao, and I mean that sincerely:
"Dr. Ku Kahakalau is the witness today. It would behoove all of us to listen to her testimony for balance, for clarity, and for "ike" (insight) of what our Hawaiian values are. She is giving a very in depth explanation on the basis of our culture."
Her testimony was rather different to your opinion regarding compromise, as she stated there cannot be any compromise when it comes to the TMT. That is something I will take away from her testimony, as is the phrase "ding dongs".
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Aaron S - 01-10-2017
quote:
Originally posted by TomK
Thank you, Aaron. I think things now hinge on how fast the appeal process takes and whether it's successful, but suspect this is the final nail in the TMT's coffin.
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/state-appeal-tmt-sublease-ruling
The state will appeal a Hilo Circuit Court ruling that vacated its consent to the Thirty Meter Telescope’s sublease with the University of Hawaii at Hilo.
Judge Greg Nakamura ruled orally last month that the state Board of Land and Natural Resources also should have held a contested case hearing for that agreement, in addition to the $1.4 billion project’s land use permit.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Eric1600 - 01-10-2017
Dr. Ku Kahakalau's testimony can also be found here https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/mk/files/2016/10/B.06a-wdt-Kahakalau.pdf "I hold a Bachelor’s in Secondary Education and a Professional Diploma in Hawaiian Language, and a Master’s Degree in European Languages and Literature (focusing on German literature about Hawai’i). Moreover, I am the first person in the world to earn a Ph.D. in Indigenous Education." I was interested to read the details (I haven't watched the testimony yet) to see what a scholar would have to add to the discussion.
"I base my stand [against the TMT] first and foremost on the value of aloha ‘#257;ina and m#257;lama ‘#257;ina, a way of life taught to me by my ‘ohana and shared by all
of my k#363;puna mentors from Ni’ihau to Ka’#363;. In fact, based on my research, I can say that here in Hawai’i, the ancient practice of aloha and m#257;lama ‘#257;ina,
documented in countless oral and written Hawaiian sources, is essentially a law of the land."
While everyone in the case against TMT has pretty much said the same thing, she didn't provide any specific written sources or oral examples of how the TMT is really not aloha 'aina other than it is tall and somehow threatens the water supply. I felt all of her arguments against the TMT are an appeal to emotion.
I have a hard time with the idea that a telescope is going to hurt her religion and culture much less interfere with it. What about all the other environmental messes around Hawaii that impact everyone more than a telescope would? It's hard to understand her arguments, but I'll watch her testimony and maybe get a better insight.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - glinda - 01-10-2017
quote:Thanks for the link. I found a lot of what Dr Ku Kahakalau said well worth reading, and far from the "appeal to emotion" that has been suggested. Here's another little snippet..
Originally posted by Eric1600
Dr. Ku Kahakalau's testimony can also be found here https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/mk/files/2016/10/B.06a-wdt-Kahakalau.pdf . She didn't provide any specific written sources or oral examples of how the TMT is really not aloha 'aina other than it is tall and somehow threatens the water supply... I felt all of her arguments against the TMT are an appeal to emotion...
"It is also the essence of our native spiritual expressions, since, as you may know, Hawaiian religion and spiritual practices are land based. This means that sacred places are at the core of our native beliefs. In fact, they are the centerpiece of our creation stories and oral histories, passed down through generations. It is these histories and sacred places that tie each generation to our ancestors and our land and form the central bonds of Hawaiian culture and identity.
Sadly, because our understanding of the sacred varies with our experiences and upbringing, the concepts of aloha and malama aina are often incomprehensible for people with a history of expansionism, fueled by a religion instructing them to “subdue the earth” and use it as a commodity to be exchanged for profit at every opportunity. This explains why those who push for the construction of the TMT and many who currently have decision making powers in Hawaii, like this court, struggle with understanding that for Hawaiian practitioners like myself the aina (the environment) is literally and genealogically ohana, to be loved, to be respected, to be protected and to be cared for at the highest level.
This goes for all land. However, this responsibility to love, protect and take care applies to an even greater extend to aina designated as “special” by our kupuna. Based on a mele hanau, or birth chant for Kauikeaouli, Mauna Kea, Mauna a Kea, or Mauna a Wakea - all of these names can be used interchangeably – is such an entity, a sacred child of the highest birth. The chant states, “O hanau ka mauna a Kea, opuu ae ka mauna a Kea O Wakea ke kane, o Papa, o Walinuu ka wahine. Hanau Hoohoku, he wahine. Hanau Haloa, he alii. Hanau ka mauna. He keiki mauna na Kea.” This primary source substantiates that Mauna Kea is a child of the gods, it’s not just a mauna, or mountain, it is an alii, a chief, it is an akua, a god, it is sacred.
While the entire mountain, as a first born, has a unique, special status for culturally-connected Hawaiians and exudes mana, Mauna Kea’s summit, based on what I was taught, as the highest peak not just in Hawaii but the entire Pacific, is also clearly a Wao Akua. A Wao Akua, versus a Wao Kanaka, is reserved for deities and spirits and should only be accessed for specific, always and only spiritual practices, involving special protocols. On Mauna Kea, some these practices include depositing a child’s piko, or the bones of a beloved person, engaging in the worship of various Mauna Kea deities, and other native Hawaiian spiritual expression.
The special mana of Mauna Kea can be felt by all whose ancestral gauges are calibrated correctly. In fact, this super natural power is acknowledged not just by Hawaiians, but by people from all over the world, who regard Mauna Kea, and other summits of high mountains, as places that bring us more closely into connection with the spiritual world, hence Wao Akua.
So it is ludicrous to claim that because the 5 acre selected site supposedly “has no endangered flora or fauna and no known archaeological shrines or burial sites,” it is ok to build a 180-foot- high observatory along with support buildings, parking, roads, etc. on the summit of Mauna Kea, an area clearly designated as sacred by our Hawaiian kupuna and clearly still sacred today."
* grammatical marks were removed so as to calm the internet ghosts that get so upset by them as to throw up their hands in frustration and spew all sorts of gibberish in their place. No disrespect intended.