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RE: Farmer's Market tarps gone - snorkle - 03-27-2018
Dude asks; "How are a bunch of NYLON tents to be safer than what was already there, for fire purposes?"
They're safer because they're taken down daily. That also makes them comply to County code because they're not permanent structures. The existing setup would comply if it was taken down daily; but it's design doesn't allow that.
If it's raining, where would people go to stay dry other than some vendors tent, and why would that be bad for the vendor?
There are challenges to vendors bringing their own structures. There are challenges to putting up a $500,000 permanent structure; The vendors need to ask themselves which challenges are more viable.
Pop up tents are temporary structures taken down daily and need no setback.
RE: Farmer's Market tarps gone - kalakoa - 03-27-2018
There are challenges to putting up a $500,000 permanent structure
Biggest challenge: it would cost $2,000,000.
RE: Farmer's Market tarps gone - snorkle - 03-27-2018
Probably; That certainly makes the pop-up option less of a challenge.
RE: Farmer's Market tarps gone - snorkle - 03-27-2018
Time machine test following.....
Test test
Edited by - snorkle on 04/01/2020 13:48:43
RE: Farmer's Market tarps gone - Carey - 03-27-2018
I`m gonna bet that the vendors still have to pay the same rate, though now they need to supply the cover & the maintenance, so DeLaCruz actually gets the thousands of dollars per week for even less input....
I`m also gonna guess that this will lead DeLaCruz to do nothing further... for the Market, for the vendors, for the public...
RE: Farmer's Market tarps gone - MarkD - 03-27-2018
Carey: "This is NOT just an aesthetic issue....I have seen the damage these tarps can cause when ignited, or windblown - Chicago area had people KILLED by these tarps tents during a freak wind gust. Granted for safety concerns, pop-up tents are no better if high winds or flames hit.."
Pop-up tents are worse. Much worse. The tents over the FM were very well secured. Do we have to discuss how many decades they worked, handling all sorts of weather??
snorkle: " (Pop-up tents) are safer because they're taken down daily."
Sorry they're not.
Aesthetic concerns? Yes; the FM looked shabby. Better to have a regular roof? Yes, there should be one. Safety concerns? Nonsense.
Here's more nonsense from Reddit's Big Island section: "...Imagine the elderly and young children at the farmer's market trying to escape from a roof that is raining fire onto their hair...
https://www.reddit.com/r/BigIsland/comments/87aowh/the_county_of_hawaii_has_ordered_hilo_farmers/
Safety fanatics' imagination runs wilder every year. And unfortunately, their erratic fears result in never-ending new rules to legislate a Perfect World.
RE: Farmer's Market tarps gone - Carey - 03-27-2018
Mark, the fact still remains that for years the county has had DeLaCruz conning them as to when & how the Hilo Farmers Market would be built as a permanent one.
The county is allowed to have safety concerns,,,, the county is allowed to have zoning requirements &
THE COUNTY HAS TRIED TO WORK WITH DeLaCruz for over a decade that I know of, & De La Cruz has strung the vendors, the public, the County, the DIA & Hilo along with air-filled promises, nothing more!
This fact remains:
The vendors pay Hilo Farmers Market owners thousands of dollars every week, millions every couple of years or so...
MarkD, do you think that Hilo is getting that type of value re-investment from the owner of Hilo Farmers Market???
I do not!
RE: Farmer's Market tarps gone - MarkD - 03-27-2018
Carey, after reading a lot of good info from posters, including you, I agree DeLaCruz's handling of the situation is poor and that the tent situation needed replacing.
Not sure the County has handled it ideally; some other posters have pointed out bad timing with Merry Monarch pending.
I am sort of a perennial critic here on exaggerated safety issues and excessive government regulation, so I regularly bark on that topic.
If you have info, I'm still interested in hearing comments about the much larger area across the street where all the gift and clothing vendors are. Who is responsible and how might they address that?
If the main FM is fixed, but the area across the street remains in pop-up tents, that won't work so well. The main FM is heavily local patrons (tourists don't buy large amounts of fruit, usually), while across the street is heavily tourist sales. Both, IMO, are important for the entire FM ambiance and profitability.
RE: Farmer's Market tarps gone - Carey - 03-27-2018
MarkD> Hilo Farmers Market LLC owns the 3 main lots that are used on both sides of Punahoa, HOWEVER there are 3 small lots at Mamo & Kamehameha ,on the west side of the dive shop, that are NOT owned by Hilo Farmers Market, 2 of the are owned by a landowner in Japan ( why do I have a suspicion that the Farmers Market may be collecting fees from the vendors on those 3 small lots!)
More interesting to note is the fact that the lot on the SE corner of Mamo & Punahoa (the only lot Hilo Farmers Market has with the permanent building) HAS NOT HAD THEIR 2017 TAXES PAID
PERHAPS NON-PAYMENT OF TAXES FOR 2017 IS WHY THE COUNTY IS COMING DOWN ON HILO FARMERS MARKET LLC!!!!
http://qpublic9.qpublic.net/hi_hawaii_display.php?county=hi_hawaii&KEY=230090110000#8232;
http://qpublic9.qpublic.net/hi_hawaii_display.php?county=hi_hawaii&KEY=230090400000
http://qpublic9.qpublic.net/hi_hawaii_display.php?county=hi_hawaii&KEY=230080200000
RE: Farmer's Market tarps gone - Mimosa - 03-27-2018
We stopped by on tues the 27th and plenty vendors selling fruit in 12x12 individual pop up can0Hpeas .
The saga continues.
Mrs.Mimosa