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RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Jimbo2017 - 01-29-2017
quote:I know interns that worked up there through the PIPES program for science.
Originally posted by gypsy69
Mahalo Glinda for the important correction. So the Wekiu bug never was on the endangered list and was only being considered some years back. Can we trust the managements involved and what studies did they make this convenient decision from?
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2011/10/27/mauna-kea-wekiu-bug-off-endangered-candidate-list/
Here are OMKM links to recent papers - http://www.malamamaunakea.org/environment/links-2
Work continues - here is a recent thesis from Geography Department at UHH.
https://dspace.lib.hawaii.edu/handle/10790/2756
Mauka Hilo-side
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 01-29-2017
Thanks, Jimbo.
"Here are OMKM links to recent papers - http://www.malamamaunakea.org/environment/links-2"
From that link, you can get to:
http://www.malamamaunakea.org/uploads/environment/MKISMP/OMKM_2013InvasiveSpeciesReport_20150521.pdf
Pages 25-27 are the relevant ones.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Eric1600 - 01-30-2017
The dishonesty in the extreme spectrum of arguments made against the TMT only hurt their credibility. I can understand it if they had specific religious objections, but the distortions and over dramatics make them very hard to take seriously.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - MarkP - 01-30-2017
Exactly Eric. There is a wild array of technical arguments against the TMT, none of which hold water. When you push back against those arguments you get "Well, it's not about the TMT. It's about Native Hawaiian culture". Smacks of grandpa's stories of having to walk 10 miles to school through the snow, uphill, both ways......
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - TomK - 01-31-2017
This is just bizarre, not sure I've seen something like this before:
http://naleo.tv/VOD/
January 30th, 2017, part 2. The relevant part starts at minute 71:00.
Fergerstrom is cross-examining a witness who is on his side, starts to testify himself, and not only his own witness objects, other parties on his own side object. If it weren't so serious, you might even be able to giggle a bit.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Eric1600 - 02-01-2017
Here's the past couple week's of videos
January 31, 2017 (Part 1) -> http://cdn-origin.peg.tv/vod/T01590/2017-01-31-LOW%20TMT%20Hearing%20013117_1.mp4
January 30, 2017 (Part 2) -> http://cdn-origin.peg.tv/vod/T01590/2017-01-30-LOW%20TMT%20Hearing%20013017_2.mp4
January 30, 2017 (Part 1) -> http://cdn-origin.peg.tv/vod/T01590/2017-01-30-LOW%20TMT%20Hearing%20013017_1.mp4
January 26, 2017 (Part 2) -> http://cdn-origin.peg.tv/vod/T01590/2017-01-26-LOW%20TMT%20Hearing%20012617_2.mp4
January 26, 2017 (Part 1) -> http://cdn-origin.peg.tv/vod/T01590/2017-01-26-LOW%20TMT%20Hearing%20012617-1REV.mp4
January 25, 2017 (Part 2) -> http://cdn-origin.peg.tv/vod/T01590/2017-01-25-LOW%20TMT%20Hearing%20012517_2.mp4
January 25, 2017 (Part 1) -> http://cdn-origin.peg.tv/vod/T01590/2017-01-25-LOW%20TMT%20Hearing%20012517_1.mp4
January 24, 2017 (Part 2) -> http://cdn-origin.peg.tv/vod/T01590/2017-01-24-LOW%20TMT%20Hearing%20012417_2.mp4
January 24, 2017 (Part 1) -> http://cdn-origin.peg.tv/vod/T01590/2017-01-24-LOW%20TMT%20Hearing%20012417_1.mp4
January 23, 2017 (Part 2) -> http://cdn-origin.peg.tv/vod/T01590/2017-01-23-LOW%20TMT%20Hearing%20012317_2.mp4
January 23, 2017 (Part 1) -> http://cdn-origin.peg.tv/vod/T01590/2017-01-23-LOW%20TMT%20Hearing%20012317_1.mp4
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - Justin - 02-01-2017
quote:
Originally posted by TomK
This is just bizarre, not sure I've seen something like this before:
http://naleo.tv/VOD/
January 30th, 2017, part 2. The relevant part starts at minute 71:00.
Fergerstrom is cross-examining a witness who is on his side, starts to testify himself, and not only his own witness objects, other parties on his own side object. If it weren't so serious, you might even be able to giggle a bit.
At some point they need to just shut this down. Most murder trials would not have gotten this much court time. Does anyone at this point NOT understand the various issues are? Make the ruling, get the appeal paperwork on file, and everyone get on with their lives.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - MarkP - 02-01-2017
Fergerstrom aggressively rebukes Amano for doing what I consider to be her job, preventing him from rambling on and killing time if he had no further questions. Somebody else gets up and points out how ridiculous things are getting and that people have to be at work tomorrow at which point he capitulates. Are there any rules to this circus? Does a hearings officer really have any authority? Are there really any consequences for grandstanding and outright aggression?
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - kalakoa - 02-01-2017
Are there any rules to this circus?
Yes, we're follwing them right now. Diligently.
Are there really any consequences
No consequences in Hawaii County.
RE: TMT - Contested Case Hearing Status - Hilo - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 02-01-2017
Are there any rules to this circus?
One of the arguments I've heard in the past is that the DNLR and State of Hawaii have not strictly followed their own rules, and that's what got us into this mess in the first place.
Well, here we are. Let's watch video of the people who argue that particular point, the petitioners who contend we must adhere to the rules and regulations set down by the governing bodies of Mauna Kea summit. They assert that should the TMT observatory not comply with every rule, deadline, and hearing procedure, construction should be suspended, permanently.
What if we extend the petitioners' argument to the petitioners? Should courtroom procedure not be followed, to the letter, their testimony is immediately halted, blocked, stopped, they are asked to leave, and not "permitted" to return.
"Only fear real things, such as minds full of delusions." -Last Aphorisms