Pahoa's Island Trust Realty Broken Into!

[JohnS]

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Originally posted by Jon

You can try to blame the government, the economy, society or whatever you think you can rationalize, but it comes down to one thing, someone has so little respect for the rights, property and feelings of others that they would kick in a door just to see if there was something they wanted to steal.

Rob, I don't see how getting involve in the community will help stop these kinds of things, unless you are willing to put yourself in harm's way and confront the perpetrators, and from what I have seen you have very few people around here that are.

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When more people get involved in their communities, there is more opportunity for mutual understanding, and most importantly for changing the culture we currently have that is just about guaranteed to generate people who steal and do other nasty things.

This problem is not about the few people who steal and do other nasty things. It will never be solved by locking them up, or by getting more guns than them, or more cops, or by putting up gates and fences to keep them out. In fact that will make it worse - always has - because there is no 'them'.

It's all us, and as long as we each continue to play our part in our long history exploitation of the many by the few, of injustice, divide-and-conquer, corruption in government and business, cultural repression and genocide, and so on, we keep teaching that these things are OK. If it's OK for some of us to do mean nasty things to our fellow humans that are "legal," there will always be some of use that figure it ought to also be OK to do mean nasty things that happen to be "illegal."

We all play our part in this scenario. Our historical mistake is always thinking that there is someone else to blame for our part. And not noticing that our very culture is just about guaranteed to generate people who steal and do other nasty things.

This is not an excuse for stealing and doing other nasty things. It is a suggestion that any us/them approach can only make the situation worse and that lack of true community is a fundamental piece of the problem.

hi ho,
John S.

[Jon]

Mutual understanding will never happen when there is no empathy or reason, so far I see a these problems on both sides of the crime spectrum.

As long as you refuse to deal with "human nature" there will be a problem, there are evil people, there ARE people that will have to be removed from society, there are people that can never be made a peaceful member of the community.

A community is a mob, and mob justice is not pretty and our only concern should be to make sure the justice process is in place, fair and strictly enforced. Other than that, most people do not have the time or desire to fix other peoples problems. They have their own family's and friends to deal with, they do not want others problems also.

It is my opinion as long as we have laws that are overlooked or ignored altogether we will have people that break will these law and they will see that our laws mean nothing, so they will break others. No law should be on the books that is unenforced and if its unpractical for enforcement it should be removed. Most of these laws are victimless and have to much to do with the "nanny state" and not enough to do with protecting society.







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I do not believe that America is better than everybody else...
America "IS" everybody else.

[JohnS]

What is "human nature?"
An explanatory principle.
What does it explain?
Whatever one wants it to.

In this case it explains why some prefer blaming and scapegoating to actually doing something different to see if we get different consequences.

What if the rest of us (or even just enough of us) decide you are one of the "evil people" who needs to be removed from society?
That's no more arbitrary than you deciding who "they" are, and no more arbitrary than you saying "they" exist at all.

I'm curious where your fear of organized community activity comes from...

[Jon]

Human nature, eat, sleep, procreate, stop everyone else from procreating. Everything else is built off these things.

The mob makes the rules, and sets up the Justice system, so if I am declared evil, and the Justice system is followed, then I should have a fair chance to prove I am not evil.

You assume to much in thinking I have a fear of organized mobs... I fear evil organized mobs.

Do you know what defines sane?
"free from mental derangement; having a sound, healthy mind: a sane person."
That is defined by the majority of the organized mob. in other words the majority of a society sets the standard for sane, or good, or evil.



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I do not believe that America is better than everybody else...
America "IS" everybody else.
HBAT