NIH urges Americans to take COVID-19 seriously now

[Guest]

To understand COVID-19 by the numbers, in charts and interactive graphs, and without hype or political influence, go to:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus

Scroll down to the plots and graphs and maps and I think it's continuously updated..

I was looking for data on daily counts of new cases, Rachel Maddow had a good interview this evening with Dr. David Ho, director and CEO of the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center. Dr. Ho shared plots of daily new cases, showing the evolution of the outbreak in different places, China, South Korea, Italy, Spain, New York, and discussed the similarities and differences between each, and the different containment methods, and compared the different models to the just now blooming NY outbreak.

Dr. Ho is credited with being the guy that beat the aids epidemic. That interview can be seen here:

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watc...0654405881

[TomK]

I'm working from home as is our staff who are non-location critical, in other words only staff that have to be in the office to continue operations are allowed in. I hope other businesses follow the same model. This is obviously a strategy that all businesses cannot follow, but for those that can, please do it.

[ironyak]

Never in my life would I have imagined linking to Fox News, but here is Tucker Carlson laying out the situation in plain terms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCqtYmD4u58 (a bitter red pill followed by some partisan politics pudding)

I think I've had my fill of playing debate club with this topic - if you can't recognize the scope of the changes at hand, there is nothing I can say that'll make any difference. Maybe you'll listen to this Italian and what they are going through.
https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comme..._you_have/

I'm going to be spending the majority of my time more productively on tasks that can help improve the outcome, as I think the smarter amongst us have already been doing for awhile. My sincere apologies for any sh!t I gave you on this topic. (I should have listened more and argued less.)

I'll drop by and share some info as time allows and hope others do the same.

I am not a butterfly

In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is the sensitive dependence on initial conditions in which a small change in starting values can result in large differences in a later state.
or
"Does the flap of a butterfly’s wings in Brazil set off a tornado in Texas?"
https://www.americanscientist.org/articl...fly-effect

This idea has broadly found its way into popular culture, but if you have a chance and interest, Lorenz's original publications are an elegant set of thought experiments and mathematics.

https://youtu.be/n-mpifTiPV4?t=23
Dinosaurs, man playing god, and the power of nature - seems like there might be some related lessons here.

Stay safe, stay healthy, & take care of one another! We all have a part to play in how this unfolds.

Will the last person to leave, please turn out the lights? ?

[knieft]

ironyak, I am aware of the butterfly affect, just making a joke.

Sorry if I was debating. People have different reactions to stuff. In this case it seems that some reactions are more or less unacceptable than others. While this is always the case with most any matter, it is more acute with this virus.

The olds hugging in a grocery store, regardless, is very human to me. Same with people who are early adopters of flattening the curve behavior. Celebrate diversity? Probably not appropriate in these circumstances, but I am often inappropriate...

Cheers,
Kirt

[ironyak]

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk...-doing-the
"Fauci: 'If it looks like you're overreacting you're probably doing the right thing'

National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases head Anthony Fauci said Sunday that it was better to err on the side of caution in coronavirus mitigation, even if the steps taken appear to be an overreaction.

“If you just leave the virus to its own defenses it’ll go way up like we’ve seen in Italy – that’s not going to happen if we do what we’re attempting to do and are doing,” Fauci told CBS’ Margaret Brennan on “Face the Nation.”

“The way we get ahead of it is, I want people to assume that we’re overreacting because if it looks like you’re overreacting you’re probably doing the right thing,” he added.
...
Asked about the mass availability of testing for the virus, Fauci said “I would hope based on what we’ve heard from the CEOs of the companies that are now getting involved that they’re going to be getting the tests out there … quite soon, they’re talking within several days to a week.”

The cake is a lie.

[Guest]

The cake is a lie.

But.. wait a minute... we can still eat it, right?

[Guest]

Cake? Did someone say cake?

Just to put a little perspective on Ige's apparent lack of concern, and inability to do more than stare, like some dear in the headlights, at the upcoming crisis..

UK coronavirus crisis 'to last until spring 2021 and could see 7.9m hospitalised'

From: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/m...spitalised

The coronavirus epidemic in the UK will last until next spring and could lead to 7.9 million people being hospitalised, a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials reveals.

The document, seen by the Guardian, is the first time health chiefs tackling the virus have admitted that they expect it to circulate for another 12 months and lead to huge extra strain on an already overstretched NHS.

It also suggests that health chiefs are braced for as many as 80% of Britons becoming infected with the coronavirus over that time.

The full story is at the link above..

[ironyak]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavir...story.html

Top US infectious disease expert open to a 14-day ‘national shutdown’ to combat virus spread

The government’s top infectious disease expert said Sunday he would like to see aggressive measures such as a 14-day national shutdown that would require Americans to hunker down even more to help slow spread of the coronavirus.

Still, Dr. Anthony Fauci said travel restrictions within the United States, such as to and from hard-hit Washington state and California, probably will not be needed anytime soon.

The push by one of the nation's foremost public health experts for Americans to act with greater urgency came as officials in Washington began preparing for what is expected to be a long-haul effort to try to stem the virus that has upended life around the globe.

[Guest]

Top US infectious disease expert open to a 14-day ‘national shutdown’ to combat virus spread

That's right, everyone should come to Hawaii for a two week vacation...