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"Nobody like to feel small especially on their home turf. One of the main arguments against the TMT is that it’s big. Really big. Too big."
What???? Main argument? I have not heard this nonsense in any circle.
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Kalakoa,
"Mismanagement: plat entire subdivisions with full infrastructure (paved roads, piped water, electricity, etc). Then, don't allow anyone to live there, even though the land was specifically set aside for that purpose.
Still looking for an explanation as to how stopping TMT will solve this problem."
Stopping TMT WILL NOT solve any of these problems............and you are WAY too smart to even smoke screen this issue with this.
You guys talk about the idiocy and nonsensical arguments coming from the protectors.... yes, there are some...but what is this?
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What???? Main argument? I have not heard this nonsense in any circle.
It’s all over the internet.
There are websites with photoshopped images or graphics of the TMT next to or over:
The pyramids
Eiffel Tower
Shopping centers
National monuments
etc, etc, etc.
If you read posts on Facebook or Twitter it doesn’t take long to find complaints about it’s gigantic size (mostly exaggerated)
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Stopping TMT WILL NOT solve any of these problems........
How will control of Mauna Kea create the self-determination that "the" Hawaiians claim they must have? (Quoting "the" to acknowledge that there are factions within the ethnic group, none of whom can speak for "all" Hawaiians.)
Mauna Kea isn't exactly a suitable place to build houses or grow crops.
Suppose you buy spoiled groceries from Foodland. Do you return them to Safeway because they have a nicer parking lot? Do you wait decades before doing so?
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"If you read posts on Facebook or Twitter it doesn’t take long to find complaints about it’s gigantic size (mostly exaggerated)"
I don't read posts from strangers on twitter or Facebook.
I talk to people who live here .
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You also come to Punaweb.
Assume the best and ask questions.
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"Mauna Kea isn't exactly a suitable place to build houses or grow crops."
your right...i haven't even heard your rumor??
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I don't read posts from strangers on twitter or Facebook.
I talk to people who live here .
Then unless you talk to everyone on the island, you’ll probably miss some comments. The TMT size comparison graphics are mostly posted and spread by residents.
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reni,
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https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/07/29...elescopes/
a little step towards middle ground"
I'm not so sure. Having access controlled by protesters does not mean guaranteed and continuous access to the mountain nor are they the ones who should be in charge of who can or cannot go to the summit. That's law enforcement's job.
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That's law enforcement's job.
Only where Rule of Law is available.
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@reni - the size issue is a common complaint on social media (one too many, one too big). It's often exaggerated - 18 stories and 5 acres wide (as if the telescope would cover the entire plot of land) and then there are the photo-shopped images of how it is going to dominate the view of the Mauna Kea ridge line from Hilo (which of course it wouldn't even be visible).
HOTPE might be reading into it a bit but the notion of a western technological monument on the highest point above everyone and everything else has been criticized by some as a symbol of dominance.
