Vaccinated People Spread The Delta Variant, CDC Says

[eightfingers2.0]

Just think, no more “unhoused”. Either they will be dead or they can occupy the houses of those that died off!

[sistersue]

What if you don’t have a smartphone?

It's just idiots leading other idiots all the way down.

And we're wasting our time listening to ridiculous conspiracy theories.  Maybe they should go live in some other country if they don't like this one.

[randomq]

Kander, you think the whole world is in on this conspiracy, including the experts on virology and vaccines in every major country? I could see some crazies releasing a disease to decimate the population, but not a dozen different vaccines by countries that don't trust each other. Whatever you think of the virus, the vaccines are being developed and studied by experts the world over. Good people that have devoted their lives to science and people's health.

Such a conspiracy would be too difficult to coordinate and hide across so many countries. Real experts would come out with real evidence to thwart it. Instead you have a handful of quacks saying stuff that real experts can immediately disprove.

[AaronM]

What if you don’t have a smartphone?

It's just idiots leading other idiots all the way down.

And we're wasting our time listening to ridiculous conspiracy theories.  Maybe they should go live in some other country is they don't like this one.

'Love it or leave it'  Wow, didn't think that would show up in this discussion.

Earnest Tubbs lives on!

[randomq]

Infographic of a recent day at Queens:
https://i.redd.it/4cu9ej5muxm71.jpg

Veteran dies from gallstones because ICU beds were full. Let's hope this doesn't start happening here.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews...e-illness/

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Many who catch Covid do not get immunity from future infections, particularly if it was a mild case:
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/9/21-1042_article

[kalianna]

randomq, Thanks for all the info you've been posting. That graphic is pretty eloquent.

[TomK]

The studies actually say the viral loading is about the same for either. 

The one study you cite says:

"Adults who have been fully vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2 can carry the same viral load of the delta variant as those who are unvaccinated, a preliminary analysis of UK data suggests."

I suspect that's the only bit you read or is the only bit you saw on a conspiracy website. What you fail to mention is it's much more unlikely vaccinated people become infected in the first place. We've already discussed this on PW but clearly the message hasn't got through to you. The study you cite goes on to say (bolding is mine):

"The latest results from the UK’s national covid-19 infection survey show that having two vaccine doses remains the most effective way to ensure protection against delta. But, although people who are fully vaccinated have a lower risk of becoming infected, those infected with the delta variant can carry similar virus levels as unvaccinated people, the data show. The authors said the implications for transmission were not yet clear but suggested that the potential for fully vaccinated individuals to transmit the virus to others would make achieving herd immunity more of a challenge.

Sarah Walker, professor of medical statistics and epidemiology at the University of Oxford and chief investigator of the survey, said, “We don’t yet know how much transmission can happen from people who get covid-19 after being vaccinated—for example, they may have high levels of virus for shorter periods of time.

“But the fact that they can have high levels of virus suggests that people who aren’t yet vaccinated may not be as protected from the delta variant as we hoped. This means it is essential for as many people as possible to get vaccinated—both in the UK and worldwide.”"

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Infographic of a recent day at Queens:
https://i.redd.it/4cu9ej5muxm71.jpg

I wish an infographic could be produced that shows how many people were infected with COVID from unvaccinated people.  I suspect it would be rather telling.

[kander]

I suspect that's the only bit you read or is the only bit you saw on a conspiracy website.

No Tom, I just googled it.

[randomq]

“We’ve identified 72 fetal deaths associated with pregnant moms who had COVID, which is twice the background rate of what we would’ve expected” prior to the pandemic, he said.
https://www.mississippifreepress.org/157...-covid-19/

[MarkP]

“We’ve identified 72 fetal deaths associated with pregnant moms who had COVID, which is twice the background rate of what we would’ve expected” prior to the pandemic, he said.
https://www.mississippifreepress.org/157...-covid-19/

Raises interesting questions for Texas residents, if anti-maskers and covid deniers are enabling spontaneous abortions.