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There are now 20 brand new homes for sale in HPP.
#81
While mainland-concentric, this article brings up a lot of good points that are becoming increasingly relevant here:

https://www.businessinsider.com/home-sel...ate-2024-5

"Home sellers are facing a summer from hell"

The past few years were very good to people who decided to sell their homes. The massive relocation shuffle meant most homes hitting the market were the subject of bidding wars. Rich baby boomers jumped in with all-cash offers, and sellers scored huge windfalls as weary buyers pushed prices to new heights. There was no question who had the upper hand.

Now, sellers' fortunes are changing. Home prices are still rising, at a modest pace, around most of the country, but gone are the days of throwing up a for-sale sign and waiting for the feeding frenzy to begin. As buyers' options slowly increase, sellers may have to slash asking prices or wait longer for a viable offer to come along. Today's home shoppers aren't so willing to pass on inspections or give up other contingency rights to expedite a sale, either. Unlike their predecessors at the height of the pandemic, buyers can now afford to kick the tires before jumping into a deal.

Most painfully, mortgage rates have spiked to 7% from their record lows of less than 3% in 2021, which has not only deterred prospective buyers but also changed the calculus for many sellers. Since most people have to turn around and buy another property to live in, even the ones who profit handsomely off a sale are finding it hard to upgrade their digs, given the increased borrowing costs. It's shaping up to be a cruel summer for sellers who aren't ready to come to terms with this new reality.

Of course, it could always be worse. There are no signs that home prices are on the verge of collapse, and more sales are happening now than a year ago. After all, people have to move for a wide variety of life reasons; mortgage rates be damned. The number of homes for sale at any given moment is also growing, which means we're inching closer to a "normal" market. The Housing Ice Age is slowly thawing.

But the peak months of home selling, which last from the spring into the middle of summer, may come with a rude awakening this year. Those who hoped that lower mortgage rates would grease the wheels of the housing market, nudging more buyers to get off the sidelines and bid up home prices, are realizing that dream scenario won't come to pass. Sellers may still have an advantage, but it's getting slimmer.

When hopeful sellers call up Eric Peterson, a real-estate broker in Austin, he usually asks them how much they think their home could fetch on the market. In 2021 or 2022, before rising mortgage rates squashed buyer demand, people typically thought their homes were worth a lot less than what they could sell for, Peterson told me. Now when he poses the same question, "they're usually overshooting it by a little bit," he said. The whiplash can leave today's sellers crestfallen in comparison. Austin was among the cities hit hardest by the pandemic hangover, with local home prices in March down roughly 12% from the peak in May 2022, according to the Freddie Mac House Price Index. But while the city may be on the extreme end of things, sellers around the country face similar circumstances: There are fewer buyers out there, and the ones who are on the hunt have more options.

"The further and further we get from the peak of the market," Peterson told me, "the harder it is to deny what's happened."

The start of 2024 seemed to have all the ingredients of a second home-seller heyday. Inflation was cooling, meaning the Federal Reserve could soon declare victory in its war on rising prices and start to cut interest rates. This, in turn, would bring down mortgage rates, theoretically encouraging more buyers to jump into the housing market. Sellers would have the upper hand in two ways: A new wave of demand would drive up the value of their homes, while lower borrowing costs would make the jump to their new places less painful. Unfortunately for prospective sellers, this Goldilocks scenario was not meant to be. Inflation has been hotter than expected, and the Fed has signaled it's comfortable keeping interest rates higher for longer. Mortgage rates haven't fallen — in fact, they've gone up about 0.6 percentage points since the start of the year. Selma Hepp, the chief economist at the property-analytics firm CoreLogic, calls this "the year of the head fake."

The further and further we get from the peak of the market, the harder it is to deny what's happened.
Now, prospective sellers are staring down the reverse of the hoped-for scenario. On the one hand, their cheaper mortgage rates now seem like a gift that won't come along again, which makes it hard to commit to a move. About 58% of outstanding US home loans had interest rates below 4% at the end of last year, according to the Federal Housing Finance Agency. If you put 20% down on a $400,000 house, the difference between a 4% mortgage and a 7% one would be $600 in payments every month. You can see why this is bad for both buyers and sellers — buyers can't stomach paying that much more for the same house, while sellers hold on to the rates they snagged when money was cheap during the COVID-19 health crisis.

But many people still have to move even if they don't necessarily want to, and some sellers may be coming to terms with the fact that rates aren't dropping. Once they've swallowed this reality, these sellers will face a less favorable real-estate landscape. As more listings hit the market in the spring and summer, the number of homes for sale at any given moment, otherwise known as active inventory, is expected to grow. Nationwide inventory is up 33% from a year ago, according to the housing-data firm Altos Research, giving homebuyers better odds of bargaining down prices and scoring concessions.


Sure, sale prices in March were up about 6.6% from last year, according to Freddie Mac, but the leading indicators for deals that will close this summer "aren't nearly that strong," Mike Simonsen, the president of Altos Research, said in a recent weekly update. Prices on new listings across the country are basically flat from a year ago, and 33.5% of single-family homes on the market have seen a cut from their original asking prices, the most of any April in a decade. Moody's Ratings now expects home values to rise a measly 1% this year after a 6.5% increase in 2023.


Even once a price is agreed upon, sellers may have to shoulder more of the costs to complete the transaction than before. Unlike during the height of the pandemic, a buyer might be able to get the seller to pay for closing costs or pricey repairs that come up during an inspection. More than one-third of sellers gave concessions to buyers in the three months ending October 31, Redfin found, up from 27.6% two years earlier.


Sellers across the country won't feel the pain equally — in fact, many will do just fine for themselves. In the Northeast and the West, active inventory is still more than 30% below 2019 levels, keeping competition for homes tight. The situation will be toughest in places like Austin or Boise, Idaho, where wealthy out-of-towners drove up prices amid the pandemic. Now that people aren't moving across the country as much, it's harder to find the kinds of buyers willing to make outrageous bids for their slice of the Sun Belt.


"When we were listing homes for sale and they were selling for so much over asking price, there often wasn't a second buyer that was offering close to that final price," Peterson told me. "So the market was very emotional in one direction. And I was warning everybody: All it takes is that one buyer to go away."

Libby Levinson-Katz, a broker in Denver and the chair of the local Realtor association's market-trends committee, said she's advising sellers there to price their homes conservatively and take care of big-ticket items, such as large repairs, before listing. Price-conscious buyers are already battling high rates and home prices — they don't want to take on more expenses as soon as they get the keys.

"I think sellers need to kind of buckle the seatbelt and know that it's not necessarily going to be a quick sale," Levinson-Katz told me. "It could take awhile because buyers are being really discerning right now."

Lost in all this talk of sellers' woes is the simple fact that more home inventory is good for everyone. Sellers simply had too much power during the pandemic — the pendulum swinging in the other direction just means we're slowly making our way toward a more balanced market.

For one thing, many sellers end up also being buyers themselves: A whopping 78% of homeowners say they plan to buy again right after they sell, John Burns Research and Consulting found. So while it might be nice for sellers to watch their home values climb with each desperate bid, they'll probably have to join the masses clamoring over listings or worrying about the new reality of mortgage rates.

Sellers need to kind of buckle the seatbelt and know that it's not necessarily going to be a quick sale.
Because Americans see their homes as not only shelter but also investment vehicles, a weak sellers' market can be a problem, too — if prices plummet, buyers might not want to purchase homes for fear of catching a falling knife. This is why economists talk so much about the need for a balanced market, rather than one that simply favors affordability for buyers. It's a fine line to walk.

While the slowdown for sellers may be good for the country's housing market in the long run, the sudden switch-up can leave homeowners feeling like they missed the boat. About 79% of recent sellers in a survey from Realtor.com said they wished they had listed their home sooner to take advantage of a hotter market. But Peterson told me he tries to keep things in perspective for his clients — home prices are still up almost 50% from early 2020 nationwide, according to Moody's, and about 42% in Austin. He warns sellers against comparing themselves with those who sold at the market's peak, when cheap money drove up prices. Back then, it didn't matter if you mispriced your home or neglected repairs — low interest rates and booming buyer interest practically ensured you'd find a more-than-willing taker.

"It can always be tricky telling somebody that they were just lucky because it makes you sound envious," Peterson told me. "But 2.5% interest rates can hide a lot of mistakes."
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#82
It's shaping up to be a cruel summer for sellers who aren't ready to come to terms with this new reality.  - terracore's article.


Bananarama in the Banana Belt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ml3nyww80&ab_channel=LondonRecords

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Reason #4 that new houses are not selling in  HPP.  Might be important.  Income to Price ratios.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2024/05/1...this-year/

A shrinking population and a weak labor force will constrain Hawaii’s economy this year and cause inflation-adjusted personal income growth to slow along with broader measures of economic health.

That was the opinion of University of Hawaii Economic Research Organization Executive Director Carl Bonham, who discussed UHERO’s second-quarter forecast Thursday during a news conference.
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#83
Here is more context courtesy of Zillow:

Houses, both new and old, currently for sale in HPP:                              89 
https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/?s...ecwr%22%7D

Houses, both new and old, sold in HPP in the last 30 days:                     16
https://www.zillow.com/homes/recently_so...A%7B%7D%7D

Houses, both new and old, sold in HPP in the last 90 days:                      48
https://www.zillow.com/homes/recently_so...A%7B%7D%7D

So for the last three months, 16 houses per month, on average, have closed in HPP.  89/16=5.5625

Amateur conclusion:  HPP has over 5.5 months of inventory as of this posting.

*the links above are not static so the numbers will change over time.
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#84
There are people here on the island that would be buying those homes in HPP, but they have 3.x% mortgages on their existing homes and can't afford to pay twice that, so they are being forced not to upgrade (or move out of LZ2). The builders have been dropping prices on new construction, but some of them are also offering concessions at closing to allow buyers to buy points from the lenders to lower their interest rates.

And then there are those houses on the market that are in great shape and there is nothing wrong with them, except that brand new homes are now competing in the same price points. Homes with STVR licenses are the ones that sell quickly. One of the reasons why the brand new builder homes aren't sweeping the market is because most of the lots were bulldozed from pin to pin and the "yards" look like a weedy vacant cinder lot with a brand new house in the middle of it. There are gently used homes on the market with mature trees and lush landscaping that look like Hawaii instead of New Mexico. Some people like to see dead rocks as far as the eye can see, but they can get a home in HOVE for a fraction of HPP prices!

A lot of people don't remember when real estate was a true buyer's market. Far less remember when mortgage rates were 18% and there were fewer first-time buyer programs available.
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#85
When we bought our house in HPP it had been on the market for three months. Not unusual for that time. Interest was 4% and we talked the buyers down $40K from the asking price. Ah, the good ole days.
Certainty will be the death of us.
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#86
Far less remember when mortgage rates were 18% - terracore

I remember when Godzilla was a gecko.

 down $40K from the asking price. Ah, the good ole days. - Kalianna

Sister, you are our new hero.  
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#87
No, just incredibly lucky to have moved here when we did and to live here still.
Certainty will be the death of us.
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#88
(05-12-2024, 03:33 AM)Punatang Wrote: Far less remember when mortgage rates were 18% - terracore

I remember when Godzilla was a gecko.
I love the Godzilla reference. 

Those super high mortgage rates date you, Terracore.   You're a geezer!  Big Grin
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#89
I do feel like a geezer but if further helps to date me, I was a kid when mortgage rates were that high. I didn't know yet how the economy worked but ARMs were a lot more popular back then and our family knew folks who got priced out of the homes they were already living in because their mortgage rates kept going up to the point they could no longer afford the payments. It's one thing to get priced out of buying a home because interest rates are too high, but could you imagine getting priced out of one you've already bought and had lived in for years?

"I remember when Godzilla was a gecko."

That's what the evil bankers do.... sell you insurance as a gecko and then as Godzilla cause damage so they can jack your rates up.
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#90
feel like a geezer - terracore (the geezer)

Well you are certainly a wise old geezer.  I suppose I'm a geezer too because I remember those days when the peanut farmer was running the show.

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For all of you conspiracy focused home shoppers, the Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) resistant, blue roof house just hacked another $50,000 of the price. That's after a $25,000 drop earlier.  I'll reserve comment on my opinion of where that leaves it now price wise, because for the right person, that blue roof has to have immense value. (100k?)

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/15-19...7055_zpid/

You have to wonder why these builders don't come with their best game. I guess the holding costs aren't much of a motivator. These folks really have the power to help Hawaii with our housing problem yet they seem to prefer to just sit endlessly on their overpriced, finished builds in a vain effort to squeeze out every last dollar. Why not earn a few honest bucks and move on to the next one?

I just read that a number of markets in FL and TX just posted year-over-year price declines in March.  It's no fun when you get left holding the bag.

PS: old guys rule!
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