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[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

It's a haole tactic..

The Le Creuset white enamel pot calling the Williams Sonoma white enamel kettle white?

[HiloJulie]

The point being made here is...

That everything Ironyak has said is to the point spot on. And all the words in the world, and obviously you think the more words used the more folks will think you know how to use words, will do nothing more than drown you in your own ridiculous defense. It's a haole tactic.. you know, the whole white man speak with forked tongue kind of thing..

If only you were mature enough to understand.. but hey, you got our wannabe.. touché

You discussing maturity is as straw man as one can be! 

And your obsession with Tom is quite interesting. Coupled with the misogynistic words you have called me speaks volumes for the reality that you truly are.

[Punatang]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/02/always-u...-most.html

If you always use these 12 phrases, you’re more emotionally intelligent than most

Published Tue, Jul 2 20242:16 PM EDT


great article!

[TomK]

The point being made here is...

That everything Ironyak has said is to the point spot on. And all the words in the world, and obviously you think the more words used the more folks will think you know how to use words, will do nothing more than drown you in your own ridiculous defense. It's a haole tactic.. you know, the whole white man speak with forked tongue kind of thing..

If only you were mature enough to understand.. but hey, you got our wannabe.. touché

You had time to consider responding and arranging words in a coherent order, but I think you failed. You just did what you accused someone else of doing.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

use these 12 phrases, you’re more emotionally intelligent

Punatang,
That’s a great list of Beatle’s songs, a few examples:

#2: Getting Better 
#10: We Can Work It Out
#12: Help!

Etc, etc

[Punatang]

Haha, good eye 5th Beatle!  Happy Independence Day PW!

[HiloJulie]

So, speaking of doing the same thing and then accusing someone else of doing it, the “NERD” in me did some extensive research. 

Turns out, the ENTIRE diatribe that the poster “ironyak” and I got into, was not a “one off” situation. No sir, turns out, “ironyak” is a “long time” PunaWeb TROLL. 

I went into the PunaWeb search function after my last response to “ironyak” and read numerous posts made by “ironyak” over the years, going back to their day one. Imagine my amazement at finding that this tactic employed by “ironyak” has been repeated several times in the past. 

Regardless of the topic, “ironyak” will eventually find his “mark” and then start the endless “bickering” which culminates in the whole “I’m smarter than you” and/or “if you’re not living or doing what I am, you’re just no good” attitude and then goes into the whole for lack of a better term, psychological “war game” of him claiming that he’s right and you’re wrong and why can’t you “just admit that” mantra. 

I even found, on one thread, where “ironyak” was doing more or less the same trolling as was done with me to another poster, when, and albeit not specifically directed at “ironyak” but was immediately posted right after several of “ironyak’s” condescending posts was a warning from Rob himself wishing that people would stop bitching about and telling people how to do things and live. 

Further, as I stated in my rebuttal, I found “ironyak” to be one of the several posters here on PunaWeb who in their posts will either tell Rob how to moderate his own website, and if Rob doesn’t respond or do what they say he should in their opinion do, the retorts become a bit of a ridicule of Rob for not doing his job.

Additionally, I also found that as “ironyyak” stated in his last post about other posters complaining about the volume of my posts, that the reality is that there were days where “ironyak” was making over 20 plus posts a day for weeks on end. 

At any event, I have found this exercise to be quite “ironically” fun. There are numerous PunaWeb posters whom I have enjoyed reading their posts immensely and discussing various topics with. 

And then there are others. Like “ironyak.” And those who “support” him. 

Happy Birthday America!

[ironyak]

TomK - It's fascinating to see all the straw man fallacies that are brought up in threads like this. Maybe my next thread will be about PW's greatest logical fallacies.
Some could clearly use a review - just be sure to include Whataboutism as you seem to have some expertise. ;)

HiloJulie - The point being made here is in reference to your whole attitude in this entire thread. You have at every turn denounced my way of life. (plus a few others)
The high-energy consumption, pollution-heavy, extravagant lifestyle enjoyed by the world's top 1-10% of consumers is leading to an uninhabitable world for current and future generations. That's what the science shows and we all need to be living within limits. Sorry if that rains on your parade but The Deluge is just getting started.

HiloJulie - You conflate “lifestyles” with occupations
Occupations are part of a lifestyle, and we all have some choice in the matter, although not always great choices in a world built on the burning of fossil fuels.

HiloJulie - But because my husband and I may have flown several hundreds of thousands of miles a year for our OCCUPATION, does not make me a terrible carbon belching person
Again, the physics of climate change don't care if you fly for business or pleasure - all that matters is the tons of carbon created in the process. Trying to equate making money to emergency medical flights is more than a stretch in moral equivocation. You've had your fun, you've made your bank, perhaps time to chill and stop making everything worse for everyone else?

HiloJulie - [you] state that I am just like the Nazi’s – following orders.
I actually did the opposite, but noted where Godwin's Law would have been fulfilled in this conversation as attempts to say "I don't make the rules", "I had no choice", etc make for easy rhetorical comparison to Germans "just following orders." Regardless of Godwin, we have to recognize that we all have choice in how we live our lives, and those choices have consequences, good and bad, for which we are responsible.

HiloJulie - And let me quote what you said:
“As for personal choice, as pointed out earlier, there are key lifestyle choices that greatly reduce your contributions to climate change (and yes, I personally engage in these to various degrees, as if that makes any difference)"

That is not a specific answer. More like a skilled politicians answer.

Because, as I said, the specifics don't fucking matter Julie. Even me being a coal baron wouldn't make me saying "using solar and eliminating car and air travel reduces one's carbon emissions" any less true. You're really hung up on the Appeal to Hypocrisy fallacy and to avoid engaging in the content of the argument you just attack the messenger.

HiloJulie - Further, in your 4 key lifestyle changes, you state, as point number 3, and I again quote:
"3) Living car free (~2.4 tons CO2, more for the F150, Tacomas, and lifted truck folks…”

Which, one would insinuate by that comment, that you do not own a car, or live car free.

Anyone who would "insinuate" such a claim would be dumb as a brick, or highly disingenuous, as I've already said "I personally engage in these to various degrees," and the full quote is: "Living car free (~2.4 tons CO2, more for the F150, Tacomas, and lifted truck folks ;) - Harder to do in Puna, but consolidating/limiting trips (once a week or less to town is plenty for me, thanks)"

How would I know how hard it is, or choose to limit my travel to once a week or less, if I didn't have access to a vehicle?

So, which is it - dumb-as-a-brick or disingenuous?

You don’t argue on the merit of your point, you argue to argue.
Nah, not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing. But when kids win a historic, first in the nation settlement to decarbonize a state's transportation system, yeah, I'll show up to support that.

HiloJulie - I could care less about “long term” contributors.
You've made that abundantly clear.

HiloJulie - Is PunaWeb “whites only” as well? Is there a secret handshake? ...
Nah, none of your silly extreme interpretations, just putting out the idea that Punaweb contributors tend to have a wide range of backgrounds, experiences, and knowledge and that you might learn a thing or two if you weren't so intent on being a dick to everyone.

HiloJulie - If you, or anyone else does not like what I say, then don’t respond. Simple as that.
So you say whatever you want, and anyone who disagrees should shut the fuck up. How open-minded and considerate to your fellow contributors here.

And when no one will interact with you on posts again, and again, and again, and again, and again, etc, you'll win at being the loudest voice in an empty room. Congrats?

HiloJulie - I am on your side in climate change.
Promoting jumbo jet travel and LNG isn't on "my side" in climate change, nor is it in line with the IPCC's findings that "deep, rapid and sustained greenhouse gas emissions reductions in all sectors" are needed to "secure a liveable future for all". The physics of climate change don't care what you believe, only what you do or don't do.

HiloJulie - I probably would hit a preverbal brick wall to ask how you spent how ever many years on this earth earning a living to support your family and the carbon footprint you have created.
I've discussed my background on PW before, but as you are adding and removing words to misquote me, it's clear your are not engaging in good-faith so won't be indulging more of your demands.

Has my career been carbon emission free? Of course not, as that's an impossible standard given our fossil-fueled infrastructure.
Has it involved hundreds of thousands of miles of travel, including flying 5000+ miles to put ink on paper? No, I'd skip that insanity only made possible because pollution doesn't have a monetary cost despite its long-term negative impacts.
Do I try to live a simple life to counter-balance the emissions I make and have made? Yep, that lifestyle is part of the appeal of choosing to living in Puna.
Should everyone look at simplifying for the well-being of all life and the ecological systems that support it, now and into the future? That's what the science says, and has said for decades, and my choices try to support that science.

[HiloJulie]

Continue trolling “ironyak!”

You clearly have found your niche on PunaWeb!

[MyManao]

I went into the PunaWeb search function..

And I imagine you thought your post is witty. But hey, don't stop, I like laughing..