Moderator 2 needs Robs moderation.

[HiloJulie]

Don’t know what to tell you Patricia. In as much as I can’t speak for Moderator2, I don’t have a problem with, nor could care less who any poster is in real life, inclusive of M2. It does not matter what Kane said, it broke the rules.

Quite frankly, I am sick and tired of this “hiding behind” crap consistently being stated on public forums. I’ve even seen posts from posters here on PunaWeb who use a nom de plume chastising other posters who also use a nom de plume for “hiding behind” a nom de plume! If you want to publish your own personal information, go for it. (as long as it's in accordance with the forums rules about disclosure of personal information) I, as well as quite a few others, don’t. Nor should a moderator of ANY public forum need to state who they are.

What matters to me is uniform, fair, balanced and consistent moderation.

Try posting a foul, vulgar, sexually oriented or disclosing a person's personal information (doxing) on Facebook. You don’t get an email from Zuckerberg telling you what’s wrong, the post gets deleted. Period. Same with YouTube, Instagram et al. And it gets deleted by someone simply known as “System.”

If you look back a few months ago an entire thread was created asking Rob about moderating PunaWeb much better. It’s full of disgusting comments from hosts of the same posters asking, begging, pleading and demanding for this moderation, and now that that moderation is in effect, are really quite upset!

Go figure!

And, as hard as I try to wrap my head around this, but how does a poster using a nom de plume be defamed?

At any event, keep it clean and follow the rules!

ETA: The title of this thread is: "Moderator 2 needs Robs moderation" - so if it was Rob himself who did everything M2 did exactly the same way with respect to this entire debacle, it would then be OK?

ETA2: Speaking of hiding behind and all that, why do you have your status set to the "hidden" mode?

[Patricia]

   

Aloha all.

Obviously I, in my ignorance, having NOT read Kane's post, hit a nerve. Apologies.

However, a couple of things just to clarify:
1. If Kane, or anyone, was offensive and attacked anyone that would seem to me to go against ANY decent forum rules.
2. I do not recall posting a document with my name, address and phone number. Nor do I recall having it removed. Unless you are referring to the attached intimidation one of the HPPOA lawyers emailed me. An email from which I REDACTED said info.
3. Lastly, if others do not wish to use their true names I guess that is their call  (most of you seem to know who you all are and what you all can expect from each other, regardless. A rose is a rose.).

All I was trying to state is that if someone is in a position of authority (a moderator) it would seem appropriate for this person(s) to identify themselves, even if it is just their first name. (I don't know about any of you, but having worked numerous jobs where answering a phone and questions were required, I could not say, Hello, this is HPPOA's Thorn in the Side speaking.

As far as any tensions Kane's post seems to have caused, I guess it is a good thing I missed it and that it was removed. Too bad some of the other forums do not follow that policy (even though they say they do).

[Moderator 2]

2. I do not recall posting a document with my name, address and phone number. Nor do I recall having it removed

On page 18 of your HPP thread you posted a document with your personal info.  I removed it for protection of your identity.  Read to the bottom of page 18 where another member noted:

That file you just posted also included your phone number and email address.


it would seem appropriate for this person(s) to identify themselves, even if it is just their first name. 

If I posted a first name would you know if it’s my real first name, or would you then want to see my drivers license?  


1. If Kane, or anyone, was offensive and attacked anyone

He was not and did not.

[Punatang]

It is clear that censorship divides us.

Are censorship and moderation viewed as apples and oranges? Or just fruit?

They are very different things. Censorship divides us. Consistent moderation would unite us.

Censorship prohibits or suppresses information typically for political or ideological reasons. It is used to control narratives, limit access to ideas, restrict dissent, etc.  When you labeled Kane's assertions as "conspiracy theory" you IMO stepped into the realm of censorship.

Content Moderation on the other hand is a process of reviewing and managing user generated content to maintain a safe and respectful online environment.

Adding disrespectful comments after suppressing Kane's speech is not content moderation IMO. Clearly you disagreed with whatever it was Kane shared. You should use your normal Punaweb handle to do that using facts and figures, and not abuse your power as a moderator IMO.

[Patricia]

It is clear that censorship divides us.

Are censorship and moderation viewed as apples and oranges? Or just fruit?

They are very different things. Censorship divides us. Consistent moderation would unite us.

Censorship prohibits or suppresses information typically for political or ideological reasons. It is used to control narratives, limit access to ideas, restrict dissent, etc.  When you labeled Kane's assertions as "conspiracy theory" you IMO stepped into the realm of censorship.

Content Moderation on the other hand is a process of reviewing and managing user generated content to maintain a safe and respectful online environment.

Adding disrespectful comments after suppressing Kane's speech is not content moderation IMO. Clearly you disagreed with whatever it was Kane shared. You should use your normal Punaweb handle to do that using facts and figures, and not abuse your power as a moderator IMO.

Again, did not read Kane's post. But I do agree with Punatang's definition and separation of "moderation" and "censorship." 

I have, personally been the victim of censorship under the guise of moderation. And find it offensive. Such abuses are wrong and are aimed not at promoting civil discussions of differing views but are meant to conrol content (not saying that is what happened woth the Kane post).

[Moderator 2]

Content Moderation on the other hand is a process of reviewing and managing user generated content to maintain a safe and respectful online environment.

There is a possibility that if I remove a post and label it harassment the poster might claim and believe it wasn’t harassment.  Same with vulgar.  It’s a judgement call.  Same with questionable information.  If you can recall the now deleted thread, some people agreed with my action, some didn’t.  

You can’t please all of the people all of the time.  Do you watch college football?  The refs decisions were questioned all day yesterday.  Then at the end of 8 games the teams stormed the field and turned the turf into a one hundred yard wrestling match.  If someone had a team they supported, they probably could defend the actions of players on their team 100%, and could even site rational reasons that prove their team was right.

[Patricia]

   

Aloha Moderator 2,

Yes, I recall that entry you referred to, and I also recall (do not even have to look) correcting Mr. O, stating that my information, including my phone # had been redacted. This forum is not my first rodeo and I was not worried about it- no reason to be. The only phone numbers showing are those belonging to the attorneys. That said, I do not understand why you felt the need to remove it.

Also, getting back to Kane, if his post did not attack anyone or was not offensive, why was it so controversial and portions removed, before the entire post was then removed? Again, NEVER read it, so just curious and asking for clarification. 

[Moderator 2]

and I also recall (do not even have to look) correcting Mr. O, stating that my information, including my phone # had been redacted. 

This is what you posted in your relay to “Mr. O” on the page following the deleted attachment:

As for my personal info. Oh well. I thought I had blocked it  But regardless, not too concerned. Nothing is "secret" anymore. My MAILING address is not my home address (we do not have an MB in The Park), I do not answer phone calls from numbers I do not know, and I can block emails (we already get so much junk mail).

I read the HPP thread attachment and it did contain your personal info, which is why it was removed.  You yourself stated that it contained your personal contact info.

[Punatang]

Content Moderation on the other hand is a process of reviewing and managing user generated content to maintain a safe and respectful online environment.

There is a possibility that if I remove a post and label it harassment the poster might claim and believe it wasn’t harassment.  Same with vulgar.  It’s a judgement call.  Same with questionable information.  If you can recall the now deleted thread, some people agreed with my action, some didn’t.  

You can’t please all of the people all of the time.  Do you watch college football?  The refs decisions were questioned all day yesterday.  Then at the end of 8 games the teams stormed the field and turned the turf into a one hundred yard wrestling match.  If someone had a team they supported, they probably could defend the actions of players on their team 100%, and could even site rational reasons that prove their team was right.

It’s a judgement call.  Same with questionable information.  M2

Questionable information? Are you able to prove it wrong? Is removing "questionable information" the new rule on PW? You keep digging your hole. At this point I agree that you owe Kane an apology and should respectfully replace whatever it is that YOU find "questionable".  If there is a question, then you can't prove it false. Just because some of the mob agrees with your actions does not make them a correct use of power.  You abused your power.  We all make mistakes.  Own it and correct it.

[HiloJulie]

A little lightheartedness:

The first 2 signs of senility are:

1. Forgetting what you said, did, went or were going to do.
2. For the life of me, I can't remember the 2nd sign

If you feel my little joke is out of line M2, feel free to delete it.

I promise I won't start another thread demanding to have your manager manage you, nor will I threaten to file a lawsuit.