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Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) raids in Hawaii
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U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has been performing raids throughout Hawaii. Details from the Trib at: ICE arrests 50 in raids across 3 Hawaiian islands

Everyone involved should know their rights.

Hawaii DOE has updated their policies on how they handle these and related situations (see the flow chart on the last page for a quick overview).

Also, the Immigrant Legal Resource Center has free printable Red Cards that outline these rights, available in many languages including Spanish, Portuguese, Tagalog, Vietnamese, etc:

- I do not wish to speak with you, answer your questions, or sign or hand you any documents based on my 5th Amendment rights under the United States Constitution.
- I do not give you permission to enter my home based on my 4th Amendment rights under the United States Constitution unless you have a warrant to enter, signed by a judge or magistrate with my name on it that you slide under the door.
- I do not give you permission to search any of my belongings based on my 4th Amendment rights.
- I choose to exercise my constitutional rights.
- These cards are available to citizens and noncitizens alike.
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Adding to the informative content as posted above by ironyak, I am surprised that the Hawaiian Filipino community is not raising holy hell with this issue:

(snipped from HTH link as posted above by ironyak)

One raid that didn’t result in arrests left 10 to 12 teachers on Maui traumatized after armed ICE agents executed a search warrant at a Kahului home looking for a Mexican national who had not lived at the multifamily dwelling in more than a year.

The teachers, all but one of whom are from the Philippines and employed through the U.S. Department of State’s J-1 Visa Exchange Visitor Program, were brought out of the home by about a dozen ICE agents dressed in black with guns drawn at about 6:15 a.m. Tuesday.

The J-1 program allows qualified educators from other countries to work in the U.S. legally as part of a cultural and educational exchange.

A Maui teacher who is a U.S. citizen was with the teachers at the time of the raid and agreed to speak to the media Thursday only if she remained anonymous, according to the Hawai‘i State Teachers Association. She described a chaotic scene where some of the teachers were unable to get dressed before they were taken outside and surrounded by the armed ICE agents.

Some of the teachers stood outside with their spouses and young children, the Maui teacher said. One woman still had wet hair, and another’s 10-year-old daughter openly sobbed.

“The first thing that I said … was that I was a U.S. citizen and that we are all teachers here. … Can we show you some identification and proof that we are here legally?” she said.

“They wouldn’t allow us to do so. I did not realize the reality. They were pounding on my window and door … with guns, and I am still lying there in my bed in my pajamas. I asked them for identification, and they rushed past me pointing guns at the other teachers.”

The agents told the teachers to write down their names in order to radio them to other agents who could check their backgrounds and clear them.

The Maui teacher said that when she showed an ICE agent her U.S. passport, the agent “was taken aback and looked shocked and apologized to me several times.”

As outrageous as this entire matter is, its really becoming more and more moot. Just wait until habeas corpus is suspended!
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#3
These cards are available to citizens and noncitizens alike.

As if ICE cares.

Methinks the bigger concern is they'll lock any of us up.. ship us out.. just for posting unflattering stuff about them here..
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(05-10-2025, 08:19 PM)MyManao Wrote: These cards are available to citizens and noncitizens alike.

As if ICE cares.

Methinks the bigger concern is they'll lock any of us up.. ship us out.. just for posting unflattering stuff about them here..

Are tinfoil hats also available to citizens?
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(05-10-2025, 09:04 PM)Punatang Wrote: Are tinfoil hats also available to citizens?

I suppose that depends on where the aluminum is sourced from. Icelandic.. good.. China.. not so much.
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#6
tinfoil hats also available

I’m sure other people can dress themselves.
Sometimes I do wonder how hard it is to see what’s right in front of our collective noses?
Did anyone in Hawaii vote for guns pointed in the faces of teachers? Who legally live here?
Did anyone in Hawaii vote for an high level of acceptable collateral damage, of innocents?
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Edge - Did anyone in Hawaii vote for an high level of acceptable collateral damage, of innocents?


Do you mean like, ever?

If you are decrying the violent nature of law enforcement Edge then I am in complete alignment with you. I lean heavily non-violent and really wish it could be kinder and gentler all around.  At the same time I really appreciate our people in blue and have never walked in their moccasins.

If you are decrying recent deportations then assuming the best I have to ask, very sincerely, where were you when Hawaii's own son deported 3 million humans?  There are no statistics specifically for deportations from Hawaii between 2009-2016 but if we do the math proportionally by population with the US population being 320M at that time and Hawaii's population being 1.4M at that time, then our share could have been roughly 13,200 deportations from Hawaii over that eight year period. That equals One Thousand Six Hundred and Fifty contributing members of society violently yanked out of Hawaii each year. 

I searched the words "deported" and "deportation" in the old search bar in the upper right quadrant of your screen here on Punaweb and you pop up - but not advocating for any of the poor people that were deported out of Hawaii from 2009-2016.  I'm curious, were you less empathetic back then?  Am I searching the wrong terms? Did Punaweb purge the posts demonstrating your concern? Was it not reported in the sources that informed you?  Did you think that no guns or collateral damage were involved when the worlds of all of those good people came crashing down?  What changed that made this topic so important for you suddenly?

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#8
if we do the math proportionally

You do understand that’s absurd, right? It’s like saying, let’s add up all the income in Hawaii, divide it by the population, and that’s how much money you have. But you don’t have that much money, do you?

If you start with a fact that may be true and apply faulty logic, you take a wrong turn right from the get go and end up nowhere.
But I recognize the manipulation of a fact that may be correct at the beginning. My sister watches that channel too.
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(05-11-2025, 02:18 AM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: if we do the math proportionally

You do understand that’s absurd, right?  It’s like saying, let’s add up all the income in Hawaii, divide it by the population, and that’s how much money you have.  But you don’t have that much money, do you?

If you start with a fact that may be true and apply faulty logic, you take a wrong turn right from the get go and end up nowhere.
But I recognize the manipulation of a fact that may be correct at the beginning.  My sister watches that channel too.

Thanks.  You answered my question.  

I was forced to make an estimate which I made clear that I was doing and I qualified with "could have been roughly 13,200."  I welcome your evidence of a more accurate estimate.

Cut the number by 90%. Does it make a difference? You had nothing to say for any one of them.
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You had nothing to say for any one of them.

I said plenty. You have no actual numbers for Hawai’i, so until you do it’s hypothetical and there’s nothing to discuss. Even if a single person was rounded up like beef cattle on Parker Ranch, tied up, maybe with guns drawn, you need evidence of that too, so I can specifically reply to the details of your accusation.

Otherwise, if it didn’t happen, why pretend it might have? Does it help you sleep at night if can convince yourself that everyone is evil?
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