06-23-2026, 02:20 AM (This post was last modified: 06-23-2026, 02:21 AM by ironyak.)
@randomq - The keiki's look of scornful disappointment is very apt - unfortunately it's as real as their trust funds and the associated mindset.
Durian Fiend - natural gas power plants offer this advantage: "Natural gas power plants are highly flexible and can cycle up and down quickly, making them a crucial tool for grid stability
This feature of being dispachable or on-demand generation is common to lots of base-load sources, including geothermal (Big Island), to hydro (Kauai), and biomass or biodiesel (Oahu current and future).
Nothing particularly special about natural gas power plants in this regard.
Kauai even has a "PV Peaker Plant" which creates dispatchable solar via large battery storage.
“Now that the Lāwa’i project is online, as much as 40% of our evening peak power will be supplied by stored solar energy. I think it’s safe to say this is a unique achievement in the nation and possibly the world. Replacing fossil fuels with stable, lower-priced renewables helps us keep rates as low as possible for our members.” - David Bissell KIUC President and CEO
That's awesome (evening solar power) but I wonder how much the battery part costs when amortized. Anyone know if saltwater batteries are viable now at the utility level?
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06-24-2026, 06:08 PM (This post was last modified: 06-24-2026, 06:22 PM by Punatang.)
RandomQ posted: Just for you, Punatang:
Mahalo Nui Loa for your amazing work of art RandomQ. You really captured the essence of this betrayal of our keiki. The look on their sweet faces says more than words could ever convey. Whatever method you used to produce that moving work is justified and will be offset by nearly infinite orders of magnitude, if it can just reach a few Hawaii voters and wake them from their ideological, mental slumber. Our keiki need us to prioritize them, their future, and our environment, when we cast our votes.
(06-24-2026, 06:08 PM)Punatang Wrote: Our keiki need us to prioritize them, their future, and our environment, when we cast our votes.
I agree. We should only vote for candidates that have protected our environment and prioritized our keiki's future.
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On June 29, economist Michael Roberts published a report titled “Hawaiʻi’s Electricity Future” on the University of Hawaiʻi Economic Research Organization’s website. With his report, Roberts waded into perhaps the state’s largest ongoing debate around energy: whether Oʻahu can lower its electricity costs by burning natural gas instead of oil for power.
Roberts’ paper contended that Oʻahu doesn’t need a new natural gas plant, nor does it need any other kind of new fuel-based generation for that matter. Instead, Roberts concluded that investments in utility-scale solar are Oʻahu’s most cost-effective option.
The report was wrong.
Why?
He used AI to research the numbers.
AI is defunct. It is a complete and utter failure. A game stupid people play, a slight of hand hocus pocus sham the money people are foisting on us.. that doesn't work, doesn't make any money, doesn't do anything for humanity that's worth a damn.. and it's all going to fade away. And for a politician to play on people's ignorance of the matter? Shame on that guy..
07-10-2026, 02:45 PM (This post was last modified: 07-10-2026, 02:46 PM by Durian Fiend.)
(07-10-2026, 04:14 AM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: On June 29, economist Michael Roberts published a report titled “Hawaiʻi’s Electricity Future” on the University of Hawaiʻi Economic Research Organization’s website. With his report, Roberts waded into perhaps the state’s largest ongoing debate around energy: whether Oʻahu can lower its electricity costs by burning natural gas instead of oil for power.
Roberts’ paper contended that Oʻahu doesn’t need a new natural gas plant, nor does it need any other kind of new fuel-based generation for that matter. Instead, Roberts concluded that investments in utility-scale solar are Oʻahu’s most cost-effective option.
The report was wrong.
Why?
He used AI to research the numbers.
And the error discovered in calculating solar plus storage contract costs doesn't really touch on Green's primary criticism, the one that has come to mind for me:
"...Green called the report “baloney” on KHON2, critiquing its assumptions about the availability of land for solar development..."
AI is defunct. It is a complete and utter failure. A game stupid people play, a slight of hand hocus pocus sham the money people are foisting on us.. that doesn't work, doesn't make any money, doesn't do anything for humanity that's worth a damn.. and it's all going to fade away. And for a politician to play on people's ignorance of the matter? Shame on that guy..
I hope you are right. And it is beginning to look like the reality of the true failure that AI is for the Big Boys using it is starting to show up in some rather interesting places, such as:
Having said that, I think this Tam guy is head and shoulders way above and beyond anything his incumbent contending candidate has ever demonstrated and his opinion of what COULD happen with unchecked AI is something worth considering.
Thus, I don't share your "shame on this guy" opinion, but I am sure Greggor will get reelected with more promises for millions more in taxpayer funding for a boat ramp that will never be and millions more for another study for an alternative route that will never be.
