Puna Alternate Route Study Survey Launched

[Obie]

Everyone complains that Shipman is holding up new roads but if you look at a map just past Shipman toward Hilo Is Hawaiian Homelands.
They have already said NO !

[Kelena]

i have a crazy idea. Here me out: Put a railroad on……Railroad. A trolley.

[MyManao]

Everyone complains that Shipman is holding up new roads but if you look at a map just past Shipman toward Hilo Is Hawaiian Homelands.
They have already said NO !

When I was a wee little thing I lived in LA (left when I was 12) and there was a neighborhood we'd pass through pretty regularly. And then when I was about 5 or 6 they started jacking up all the houses in a wide area.. miles and miles of houses got jacked up and put on trucks and taken somewhere else. I was a kid I have no idea where. Then the bulldozers and the cement trucks, and one day we, my mom sister and I, were driving up this onramp onto the brand new Santa Monica Freeway (I think it is now called the i10). And bingo, we had a straight route out to the beach! 

Eminent Domain. It works like a charm. And bumbai it's all just water under the bridge. Folks adjust. Shipman, the Homelands folks.. the Mac nut trees.. the HPP nuts.. rip the bandaid off and let the sunshine in! We'd all be a healthier community for it.

And yeah, adding a rail line would be a hoot. What a great idea!

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Put a railroad on……Railroad. A trolley.

With bike racks.  And connecting bike paths.

[Obie]

Using eminent domain on Hawaiian Homelands.

Chuckle Chuckle.

[ChunksterK]

As usual, the people behind the lastest study are putting the horse before the cart. During the last round of "serious" discussion of PMAR about 12-14 years ago, I attended most of the meetings in HPP. The way this is supposed to work is that the county planning department or state DOT should use their planning staff to come up with some proposed routes. They have people who get paid to do that. They even sent one guy from the county to the HPP meetings, and he described his work and some of the possible routes. This time they are paying outside parties to do work that should be handled by current employees.

Some items from the last round of meetings:

Railroad is a non-starter because it meanders along an elevation line and has several more intersections than any other route across HPP. The guy from the county described Railroad as "the default position of people who know nothing about road planning." And then there was the fact that Shipman said no.

The preferred route was across the least developed part of HPP above the tsunami line, which at the time was between 9th and 14th. The county planner sardonically remarked that at the rate HPP was building out, nothing would likely be built if they didn't do it soon because they would have to buy out so many developed lots.

Any sort of rail or controlled access bus lane transit was pie in the sky due to high cost and low population density.

Shipman offered some free land for a mauka route, but the county didn't seem interested. This time they claim to be considering mauka routes, however, so that might be possible.

My favorite quote from the whole thing was when an HPP board member named June said she didn't trust the county's promises and the county planner said, "I don't blame you."

[Punatang]

At this point it seems more realistic, likely, and most of all cost effective, to just issue every Punatic of driving age, a flying Tesla. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p5LxFdc-Qg

   






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[HiloJulie]

At this point it seems more realistic, likely, and most of all cost effective, to just issue every Punatic of driving age, a flying Tesla.

You might be on to something Tang!

It's projected that by 2030; the population of Puna will be 75,000 people. If we assume 50% are of driving age, that's 37,500 Punatiks and at an estimated $250,000 per car, that comes out to $9,375,000,000.

Health care? Why bother - we gots to keep Elon fully funded! And of course, he will need another tax break with revenues like that! Don't want to see HIM hurt at tax time!