09-30-2011, 08:42 AM
kipa,
thanks so much for explaining what is making people mad regarding the sheep. Thank you for educating me on this. I'm surprised I never heard someone talk about the sheep in all this time -- see, there is always a lot to learn.
I don't know what the counter-argument would be, but on the face of your argument I would support your position. Not that I have any power.
I am also not one of those environmentalists who is fervent about making the world bend to the task of saving one bird. Maybe I should be, but I don't feel that way. I feel that we as humans should stop reckless actions that extinguish species, but on the other hand, species disappear all the time as part of evolution.
I also understand that people want to hunt to put food on the table. I am sorry the powers that be are bent on putting an end to the sheep resource.
Rampantly invasive species do scare me. As I said, the pigs are a big issue. If only the pigs could be up in the hunting preserves and not destroying food gardens. If the deer will stay out of my garden, I have nothing against them. I'm trying to raise food too.
I would like to hear an accurate tale of what impact the deer have had on Maui. The report published by senkahele in his top post was alarming to me, as it indicated the deer do eat everything. When I looked axis deer up yesterday, I read that they eat grasses. They can have all the grass they like around my place ... just leave my veggies and fruit alone! I also read that they aren't very susceptible to ticks or to carrying diseases like the whitetails, so that was good.
It seems to me that the impact of axis deer on a Hawaiian island can't be a mystery, as we have Maui as a test case for a major island. We should be able to agree on the facts of how much damage they cause.
ETA -- I live in an area full of stream gulches, so I think the deer would have plenty of water to get settled into Hamakua coast.
btw, you said that to "us" haoles "You destroyed America and its people" -- but I am part Native American (Sierra Miwok, California tribe) and my sons are more so due to their dad's Cherokee/Sioux heritage. My current husband is 1/4 Shoshone. So some of us are a mix of the invaders and the invaded, as is true in Hawai'i.
And as someone who has a lot of Irish in me -- if you want to read a story of thousands of years of occupation and oppression and attempted genocide, read about Ireland, and Wales too (I have a good bit of Welsh Quaker stock too). Other people here could speak to their European ancestors who experienced oppression and persecution.
Very few of us come from the stock of arrogant missionaries, and even those who do are their own people; they may not subscribe to how their ancestors behaved at all.
I don't think it is fruitful to put people all in the same category because they are Caucasian, or Asian, or Pacific Islander either.
thanks so much for explaining what is making people mad regarding the sheep. Thank you for educating me on this. I'm surprised I never heard someone talk about the sheep in all this time -- see, there is always a lot to learn.
I don't know what the counter-argument would be, but on the face of your argument I would support your position. Not that I have any power.
I am also not one of those environmentalists who is fervent about making the world bend to the task of saving one bird. Maybe I should be, but I don't feel that way. I feel that we as humans should stop reckless actions that extinguish species, but on the other hand, species disappear all the time as part of evolution.
I also understand that people want to hunt to put food on the table. I am sorry the powers that be are bent on putting an end to the sheep resource.
Rampantly invasive species do scare me. As I said, the pigs are a big issue. If only the pigs could be up in the hunting preserves and not destroying food gardens. If the deer will stay out of my garden, I have nothing against them. I'm trying to raise food too.
I would like to hear an accurate tale of what impact the deer have had on Maui. The report published by senkahele in his top post was alarming to me, as it indicated the deer do eat everything. When I looked axis deer up yesterday, I read that they eat grasses. They can have all the grass they like around my place ... just leave my veggies and fruit alone! I also read that they aren't very susceptible to ticks or to carrying diseases like the whitetails, so that was good.
It seems to me that the impact of axis deer on a Hawaiian island can't be a mystery, as we have Maui as a test case for a major island. We should be able to agree on the facts of how much damage they cause.
ETA -- I live in an area full of stream gulches, so I think the deer would have plenty of water to get settled into Hamakua coast.
btw, you said that to "us" haoles "You destroyed America and its people" -- but I am part Native American (Sierra Miwok, California tribe) and my sons are more so due to their dad's Cherokee/Sioux heritage. My current husband is 1/4 Shoshone. So some of us are a mix of the invaders and the invaded, as is true in Hawai'i.
And as someone who has a lot of Irish in me -- if you want to read a story of thousands of years of occupation and oppression and attempted genocide, read about Ireland, and Wales too (I have a good bit of Welsh Quaker stock too). Other people here could speak to their European ancestors who experienced oppression and persecution.
Very few of us come from the stock of arrogant missionaries, and even those who do are their own people; they may not subscribe to how their ancestors behaved at all.
I don't think it is fruitful to put people all in the same category because they are Caucasian, or Asian, or Pacific Islander either.