TMT groundbreaking - live

[ironyak]

PM2 - Apparently you have some activist experience that is informing / influencing / overshawdowing your interpretation of these events. It sounds like you hope for or expect some high degree of consistency in rationale or motivation from a group, instead of the very messy reality of diverse people organizing towards a common cause. In my experience, this challenge of cohesion is common for human endeavors, whether they are activist, academic, or professional, so I don't find it surprising or disconcerting. Of course, it would be of interest to hear your story at some point.

rainyjim - Again, in the interest of evidence based reasoning, can you provide examples or explain the logic for your belief that this is an entitlement based culture looking for a pay-off? I just don't see it.

Instead, the explanation offered by dakine and opihikao regarding long-standing and unaddressed issues explains for me both the scope and intensity of the events, and the ancillary role of the TMT in them. Given everything I've heard, and how widely the message has resonated, it appears to be people genuinely taking a stand for what they believe in. Given our history, both separate and shared, it's difficult to not see this in a positive light IMHO.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident" (or "sacred" if you prefer Jefferson's original words
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/declara/ruffdrft.html