05-07-2015, 04:22 AM
Dakine,
Perhaps you could explain to me the difference between pre King Kamehameha and post King Kamehameha.
Who was responsible for creating a "Kingdom" out of the Southern islands of this archipelago, was it the USA?
Can you describe to us the difference between the former Chiefs homes and those buildings that stood thereafter under the Kingdom?
Who ordered the changes in these islands that affected their former traditions pre Kingdom? Was it the United States?
You talk about reparations as if the people of these Islands were directly invaded by the United States and slaughtered and conquered like the Native Americans. Is there a battle wherein the United States came to these Islands and declared war with its inhabitance that I'm NOT aware of? I do recall some European nations that came and battled the Islands and I believe the U.S. stepped in and made them back off? Is that somewhat correct?
So here's my point Dakine. The sovereignty of these islands and the alteration of its peoples cultures were in fact not removed by an official act of the United States. That happened over a long period of time and long before the territorial annexation and partially conducted by its own peoples hands through some opportunities and influences brought to the Islanders from Western civilization.
The battle for the Hawaiian Islands began many centuries before the coming of Captain Cook and they continued thereafter by several foreign nations pre annexation and post annexation. Now here today during a period of semi world peace, the decedents from a period of these Islands dating back to only a short period of these Islands human inhabitation history want the United States to provide them with reparations. Reparations for what?
The United States has invested a great deal of resources into these Islands for many purposes inclusive of reparations such as native language restoration education and a whole lot more. Some of these reparations aren't even things the U.S. is responsible for. Yet you expect one country to bear the full blame for something that occurred over many years over 100 years ago? Some of these things that the Islands native ancestors are directly responsible for themselves.
So let's get this straight. With the exception of those who lived in Hawaii pre 1959, the remainder are all natural born U.S. citizens and have been afforded the same rights as the rest of the citizens throughout the United States. None of you have been locked up, detained or kept from engaging in your cultural practices. You're citizens of a sovereign nation that through its Constitution has been outlined to even protect your rights. What is it that you think you deserve above the rest of your peers in this nation? You're not Native Americans and your ancestors where not subjected to the same hardships suffered at the hands the United States like theirs were. Your ancestors losses were in part by their own hand under their own oversight in a land that has always been under threat of invasion and still is to this very day.
To me, this sounds more like a bunch of belly archers (many of which aren't even native) who want to see what financial windfall they can muster built on the sympathies that are in fact held for a people who's ancestors did suffer immeasurable hardships by the hands of the United States back on the mainland. I see exploitation and divisiveness in the movement. The movement itself has said that these issues are not about indigenous Native Hawaiians yet then they turn around and proclaim cultural interest to validate their protest of the TMT. Nonsense. Use the indigenous Native Hawaiians card when convenient but then turn around and claim it's not an indigenous native issue. I see a very dark element here and I see that once again the indigenous native people of these Islands are being hoodwinked and manipulated by a shady few. What else should we expect, it's been done for centuries here. The future history will flesh out as much with regard to these events as it has with previous history here.
I would hope the true indigenous natives of these Islands could see through the deceptions of the movement and join together to form an alliance with one another and return to talks with the interior and not allow the opportunity to pass them by.
Perhaps you could explain to me the difference between pre King Kamehameha and post King Kamehameha.
Who was responsible for creating a "Kingdom" out of the Southern islands of this archipelago, was it the USA?
Can you describe to us the difference between the former Chiefs homes and those buildings that stood thereafter under the Kingdom?
Who ordered the changes in these islands that affected their former traditions pre Kingdom? Was it the United States?
You talk about reparations as if the people of these Islands were directly invaded by the United States and slaughtered and conquered like the Native Americans. Is there a battle wherein the United States came to these Islands and declared war with its inhabitance that I'm NOT aware of? I do recall some European nations that came and battled the Islands and I believe the U.S. stepped in and made them back off? Is that somewhat correct?
So here's my point Dakine. The sovereignty of these islands and the alteration of its peoples cultures were in fact not removed by an official act of the United States. That happened over a long period of time and long before the territorial annexation and partially conducted by its own peoples hands through some opportunities and influences brought to the Islanders from Western civilization.
The battle for the Hawaiian Islands began many centuries before the coming of Captain Cook and they continued thereafter by several foreign nations pre annexation and post annexation. Now here today during a period of semi world peace, the decedents from a period of these Islands dating back to only a short period of these Islands human inhabitation history want the United States to provide them with reparations. Reparations for what?
The United States has invested a great deal of resources into these Islands for many purposes inclusive of reparations such as native language restoration education and a whole lot more. Some of these reparations aren't even things the U.S. is responsible for. Yet you expect one country to bear the full blame for something that occurred over many years over 100 years ago? Some of these things that the Islands native ancestors are directly responsible for themselves.
So let's get this straight. With the exception of those who lived in Hawaii pre 1959, the remainder are all natural born U.S. citizens and have been afforded the same rights as the rest of the citizens throughout the United States. None of you have been locked up, detained or kept from engaging in your cultural practices. You're citizens of a sovereign nation that through its Constitution has been outlined to even protect your rights. What is it that you think you deserve above the rest of your peers in this nation? You're not Native Americans and your ancestors where not subjected to the same hardships suffered at the hands the United States like theirs were. Your ancestors losses were in part by their own hand under their own oversight in a land that has always been under threat of invasion and still is to this very day.
To me, this sounds more like a bunch of belly archers (many of which aren't even native) who want to see what financial windfall they can muster built on the sympathies that are in fact held for a people who's ancestors did suffer immeasurable hardships by the hands of the United States back on the mainland. I see exploitation and divisiveness in the movement. The movement itself has said that these issues are not about indigenous Native Hawaiians yet then they turn around and proclaim cultural interest to validate their protest of the TMT. Nonsense. Use the indigenous Native Hawaiians card when convenient but then turn around and claim it's not an indigenous native issue. I see a very dark element here and I see that once again the indigenous native people of these Islands are being hoodwinked and manipulated by a shady few. What else should we expect, it's been done for centuries here. The future history will flesh out as much with regard to these events as it has with previous history here.
I would hope the true indigenous natives of these Islands could see through the deceptions of the movement and join together to form an alliance with one another and return to talks with the interior and not allow the opportunity to pass them by.