02-04-2016, 08:56 AM
Also, for clarity, there is now, of course, a typhoid vaccine.
Fascinating to me is that the leading (only?) hypothesis for why 20th century polio spiked in richer, western countries (and not so much in "Third World" countries) is because of the improved sanitation in this countries. Just doesn't fall together for me in the big picture...typhoid falls away without a vaccine because of improved sanitation, but polio wouldn't even spike except for improving sanitation? And polio was falling off before the vaccine.
excerpted from article at
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/ea...wq320.full
"However, with the advent of improved personal hygiene and public sanitation, the transmission of enteric infections was delayed so that some infants were first infected after 12 months of age, when levels of passive antibodies had waned, reducing the barrier against invasion of the central nervous system. Consistent with this hypothesis, all of the early outbreaks occurred among very young children, and the disease was known as “infantile paralysis.”"
Add to this idea that there is evidence that natural immunity is lost in highly vaccinated populations and my cognitive dissonance (ha!) is enhanced.
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/ea...it144.full
I couldn't agree more on the tactics of the anti vaxxer folks--it makes it really hard to sift through the research when so many of the anti websites come up. After checking out the sources of their claims to find it mostly bogus, you are left with a lot of wasted time.
But the pro vax side is very guilty of cherry-picking and fear mongering as well. The interview ironyak posted could be dissected paragraph by paragraph. It's just a lot better said than the typical anti-vax side. Science, especially medical science, is certainly not immune from a reliance on "a prior's" that turn out to be less than useful. Pasteur, himself, said that the "terrain of the body" is more important than the microbe in disease.
And the pharmaceutical companies...whatever.
Makes it hard to find out what's what. And I'm beginning to think it is simply not known what's what.
So I can wear the "pro-geothermal"l, "pro-TMT", and "who gives a rat's arse about" GMO foods, tee shirts. But still its the "IDK-vax" tee-shirt for me.
Cheers,
Kirt
Fascinating to me is that the leading (only?) hypothesis for why 20th century polio spiked in richer, western countries (and not so much in "Third World" countries) is because of the improved sanitation in this countries. Just doesn't fall together for me in the big picture...typhoid falls away without a vaccine because of improved sanitation, but polio wouldn't even spike except for improving sanitation? And polio was falling off before the vaccine.
excerpted from article at
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/ea...wq320.full
"However, with the advent of improved personal hygiene and public sanitation, the transmission of enteric infections was delayed so that some infants were first infected after 12 months of age, when levels of passive antibodies had waned, reducing the barrier against invasion of the central nervous system. Consistent with this hypothesis, all of the early outbreaks occurred among very young children, and the disease was known as “infantile paralysis.”"
Add to this idea that there is evidence that natural immunity is lost in highly vaccinated populations and my cognitive dissonance (ha!) is enhanced.
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/ea...it144.full
I couldn't agree more on the tactics of the anti vaxxer folks--it makes it really hard to sift through the research when so many of the anti websites come up. After checking out the sources of their claims to find it mostly bogus, you are left with a lot of wasted time.
But the pro vax side is very guilty of cherry-picking and fear mongering as well. The interview ironyak posted could be dissected paragraph by paragraph. It's just a lot better said than the typical anti-vax side. Science, especially medical science, is certainly not immune from a reliance on "a prior's" that turn out to be less than useful. Pasteur, himself, said that the "terrain of the body" is more important than the microbe in disease.
And the pharmaceutical companies...whatever.
Makes it hard to find out what's what. And I'm beginning to think it is simply not known what's what.
So I can wear the "pro-geothermal"l, "pro-TMT", and "who gives a rat's arse about" GMO foods, tee shirts. But still its the "IDK-vax" tee-shirt for me.
Cheers,
Kirt