03-10-2017, 07:03 AM
I am personally familiar with 1980's rural Hawaii where there were mostly Hawaiians and they just weren't organized in the way they are today. Some locals didn't even have radios, many were relegated to contact with direct family members only. Today, the tools are better, the numbers are up and there is concensus. The 1960's were arguably slower than the 1980's. There's no way to equate now and then in terms of personal media tools/devices or population numbers.
As far as what K-Joe stated about Hawaii not deserving the TMT project, maybe we don't. Maybe we deserve better.
If TMT loses this case and shoves off, is this the end of Next Generation Space Telescopes (NGST)? I think not. Previous telescopes leased the lands for $1 per annum and TMT was supposed to slide in to the same deal. After years of protests, the sum was upped to $1,000,000.00 yearly. Who is to say the next suitor wouldn't pay $1 million per acre of effected land? The space industry is already a kajillion dollar a year industry and we haven't even begun interstellar mining projects. I mean has anyone seen this R&D project just proposed by NASA?
https://phys.org/news/2017-03-nasa-magne...phere.html
This is one reason (among many) I would like to see an NGST in Hawaii but preferably with an organisation that isn't trying to start an internecine war by sowing seeds of division and spreading negative propaganda about Traditional Hawaiians. If the key to the future is as simple as respecting the past, that doesn't seem such a high price tag. Wake up proponents.
As far as what K-Joe stated about Hawaii not deserving the TMT project, maybe we don't. Maybe we deserve better.
If TMT loses this case and shoves off, is this the end of Next Generation Space Telescopes (NGST)? I think not. Previous telescopes leased the lands for $1 per annum and TMT was supposed to slide in to the same deal. After years of protests, the sum was upped to $1,000,000.00 yearly. Who is to say the next suitor wouldn't pay $1 million per acre of effected land? The space industry is already a kajillion dollar a year industry and we haven't even begun interstellar mining projects. I mean has anyone seen this R&D project just proposed by NASA?
https://phys.org/news/2017-03-nasa-magne...phere.html
This is one reason (among many) I would like to see an NGST in Hawaii but preferably with an organisation that isn't trying to start an internecine war by sowing seeds of division and spreading negative propaganda about Traditional Hawaiians. If the key to the future is as simple as respecting the past, that doesn't seem such a high price tag. Wake up proponents.

