04-27-2017, 04:13 PM
I hope this type of thinking out loud and asking of questions on a forum does not offend to many. Instead I hope it brings Ideas, opinions and possibly some common ground.
Mauna Wakea has become the current astronomy capital of the world, True or False?
Are the dozen or more telescopes currently atop Mauna Wakea being used for specific scientific purposes, Profit and Fun, or both?
What Would the billion dollar plus TMT project really be used for if it is indeed built on Mauna Wakea, Science, profit or fun?
I ask these type of Questions because some recent articles regarding some of the worlds largest telescopes seem to be contradicting and confusing at times.
For instance this article I post below states large telescopes bring high operating costs and no profits. Yet, Aren't the many Big Island Resorts and Hilo's Arnott's profiting from the current Telescopes atop Mauna Kea?
Does the Telescopes get a piece of the hundreds of tours money?
Don't they also sell telescope time to Universities like Yale or Harvard for millions?
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/blog/...efits.html
Yet, another recent article regarding a very large telescope built in China states it aims to find aliens and bring in large profits with plenty of fun for tourists. China, is one of the strongest partners in this long planned-rubber stamped TMT project that may be built on Mauna wakea.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-...893594.htm
Anybody know what happened to the many thousands of Chinese people that were relocated or forced to move from China's giant telescopes current location? I can only hope the many people relocated or moved were fairly compensated or provided a better life elsewhere. For some reason I doubt the Chinese government and their intentions today. jmo.
Some are trying to sell this Tmt project as a non-profit making, job creating, planet and star finding, local educational savior that may answer today's unimaginable. Yet, I am afraid of the bait and switch technique that could make this TMT project a large profit maker for a few in the state of Hawaii but also countries like China and India too.
This bait and switch technique could be at the expense of the "still unrecognized or respected" remaining Hawaiians. I believe that if the billion dollar TMT project is built on the Hawaiians sacred Mountain of Mauna wakea, for profit making purposes. It may be the final dagger to the Kanaka Hawaiians race, their culture and traditions in many ways. The continued stealing or Selling cheap of yesterdays, today's and tomorrows Hawaiians land is not only disrespectful but very conniving. Especially, after all the many Hawaiians have shared and sacrificed over time. To me The many Telescopes atop Mauna Kea have helped rediscover the pride, Aloha and nation of the Hawaiian people. jmo's
P.S. To my number 1 fan PaulW. If the TMT needs millions worth of water, electricity and land then Maybe Island residents should have access to the use of their limited resources like Water, electricity and mountain tops too.
I had only suggested the possibility of a Ski resort or two atop Mauna Kea in the past As a way to provide a few more local jobs and opportunities for Hawaiians and local residents than what the TMT project had promised.
When It does snow on the mountains of Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa hundreds of local residents want access to it and lately it's getting harder to come by. Maybe It should be a bigger priority to help clear the roads just after snow storms to help allow the locals access, like it's maintained for astronomers when they want or need the summit. This type of an all day traffic jam should not happen again.
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2016/1...-loa-road/
Pretty sure that vast amounts of quality snow could be made for most skiing, snow boarding and family entertainment on most nights throughout the year atop Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa. Local residents, astronomers, and tourists could experience and enjoy this snow making effort at times.
If the once "Kapu" times of the sacred summit of Mauna Wakea are truly over, then Why should the summit of Mauna WaKea be solely developed into an astronomers or tourism made Disneyland? Afraid that The TMT's tour rates that may be offered from our many resorts may price out the majority of our local Island residents.
Also, Maybe dozens of local food trucks should also be considered or allowed somewhere near or on Mauna Kea instead of the resorts or TMT's choice of foods for the "millions" who will come once the TMT is built. jmo's
Mauna Wakea has become the current astronomy capital of the world, True or False?
Are the dozen or more telescopes currently atop Mauna Wakea being used for specific scientific purposes, Profit and Fun, or both?
What Would the billion dollar plus TMT project really be used for if it is indeed built on Mauna Wakea, Science, profit or fun?
I ask these type of Questions because some recent articles regarding some of the worlds largest telescopes seem to be contradicting and confusing at times.
For instance this article I post below states large telescopes bring high operating costs and no profits. Yet, Aren't the many Big Island Resorts and Hilo's Arnott's profiting from the current Telescopes atop Mauna Kea?
Does the Telescopes get a piece of the hundreds of tours money?
Don't they also sell telescope time to Universities like Yale or Harvard for millions?
http://www.bizjournals.com/pacific/blog/...efits.html
Yet, another recent article regarding a very large telescope built in China states it aims to find aliens and bring in large profits with plenty of fun for tourists. China, is one of the strongest partners in this long planned-rubber stamped TMT project that may be built on Mauna wakea.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-...893594.htm
Anybody know what happened to the many thousands of Chinese people that were relocated or forced to move from China's giant telescopes current location? I can only hope the many people relocated or moved were fairly compensated or provided a better life elsewhere. For some reason I doubt the Chinese government and their intentions today. jmo.
Some are trying to sell this Tmt project as a non-profit making, job creating, planet and star finding, local educational savior that may answer today's unimaginable. Yet, I am afraid of the bait and switch technique that could make this TMT project a large profit maker for a few in the state of Hawaii but also countries like China and India too.
This bait and switch technique could be at the expense of the "still unrecognized or respected" remaining Hawaiians. I believe that if the billion dollar TMT project is built on the Hawaiians sacred Mountain of Mauna wakea, for profit making purposes. It may be the final dagger to the Kanaka Hawaiians race, their culture and traditions in many ways. The continued stealing or Selling cheap of yesterdays, today's and tomorrows Hawaiians land is not only disrespectful but very conniving. Especially, after all the many Hawaiians have shared and sacrificed over time. To me The many Telescopes atop Mauna Kea have helped rediscover the pride, Aloha and nation of the Hawaiian people. jmo's
P.S. To my number 1 fan PaulW. If the TMT needs millions worth of water, electricity and land then Maybe Island residents should have access to the use of their limited resources like Water, electricity and mountain tops too.
I had only suggested the possibility of a Ski resort or two atop Mauna Kea in the past As a way to provide a few more local jobs and opportunities for Hawaiians and local residents than what the TMT project had promised.
When It does snow on the mountains of Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa hundreds of local residents want access to it and lately it's getting harder to come by. Maybe It should be a bigger priority to help clear the roads just after snow storms to help allow the locals access, like it's maintained for astronomers when they want or need the summit. This type of an all day traffic jam should not happen again.
http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2016/1...-loa-road/
Pretty sure that vast amounts of quality snow could be made for most skiing, snow boarding and family entertainment on most nights throughout the year atop Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa. Local residents, astronomers, and tourists could experience and enjoy this snow making effort at times.
If the once "Kapu" times of the sacred summit of Mauna Wakea are truly over, then Why should the summit of Mauna WaKea be solely developed into an astronomers or tourism made Disneyland? Afraid that The TMT's tour rates that may be offered from our many resorts may price out the majority of our local Island residents.
Also, Maybe dozens of local food trucks should also be considered or allowed somewhere near or on Mauna Kea instead of the resorts or TMT's choice of foods for the "millions" who will come once the TMT is built. jmo's