06-13-2017, 07:34 AM
Good debate here. Some responses to miscellaneous comments:
From Paul W: Should deportation become the new standard of punishment...Got a DUI?..Off to Australia with you on the ships, just like the old days.
The comparison is not correct. The illegals are being returned to their countries of origin. Australia (in the beginning) was a penal colony. (A similar logic is being used by critics who compare our border wall to the Berlin Wall. The latter kept people in. Our wall keeps people out. I guess open-immigration folks believe this inconvenient fact can be ignored.)
From Kapoho Joe: I expect someone here illegally..to hold themselves to a higher standard. Kinda how I expect a bank robber (or any other criminal) to lay low. Correct. And they and their supporters should not be lobbying for the right to enter illegally.
Terracore’s statement: The media narrative...has been to blur the distinction between "immigrants" and "illegal immigrants". Emphatic Yes.
By the way, I like the word discrimination. Websters: the act of making or perceiving a difference (other definitions follow). Such as discriminating, or distinguishing, between different things. Whether we act discriminatory--and to what extent--after perceiving a difference is a separate question, but astoundingly, Social Justice Warriors are now attacking the idea that we should even be able to discern differences among social groups. Astute reply by media commentator Sam Harris to SJWs who objected to his (free) speech regarding immigration: “You have to be able to criticize bad ideas.” In the opinions of some folks, apparently not.
From Paul W: Should deportation become the new standard of punishment...Got a DUI?..Off to Australia with you on the ships, just like the old days.
The comparison is not correct. The illegals are being returned to their countries of origin. Australia (in the beginning) was a penal colony. (A similar logic is being used by critics who compare our border wall to the Berlin Wall. The latter kept people in. Our wall keeps people out. I guess open-immigration folks believe this inconvenient fact can be ignored.)
From Kapoho Joe: I expect someone here illegally..to hold themselves to a higher standard. Kinda how I expect a bank robber (or any other criminal) to lay low. Correct. And they and their supporters should not be lobbying for the right to enter illegally.
Terracore’s statement: The media narrative...has been to blur the distinction between "immigrants" and "illegal immigrants". Emphatic Yes.
By the way, I like the word discrimination. Websters: the act of making or perceiving a difference (other definitions follow). Such as discriminating, or distinguishing, between different things. Whether we act discriminatory--and to what extent--after perceiving a difference is a separate question, but astoundingly, Social Justice Warriors are now attacking the idea that we should even be able to discern differences among social groups. Astute reply by media commentator Sam Harris to SJWs who objected to his (free) speech regarding immigration: “You have to be able to criticize bad ideas.” In the opinions of some folks, apparently not.