06-13-2017, 05:44 PM
Reply to Eric1600 I write carefully because I already violated the “local topics only” rule. But immigration is important to all communities nationwide; I trust there will be warning if we stray too far.
On my context problem regarding your “being sent to Australia” hypothetical, pardon my misinterpretation.
My comment: And they and their supporters should not be lobbying for the right to enter illegally. Your reply: No one is making that argument.
I am not going to cite links; just google “open borders in America.” Huge sentiment for this, and disregarding current immigration law. Large numbers of illegals enter the U.S. with the assumption that things will work out in due course regarding citizenship, e.g., amnesty.
You mention “paranoia” about illegals ("paranoia" has a rather negative connotation). There are factors other than a supposed fear or dislike of newcomers.
1) I agree with the anti-immigration position that the Sierra Club took decades ago (it has since shifted to pro-immigration; PC pressure, IMO). We have way too many people in the U.S. already. Look at Honolulu; the overcrowding is insane, IMO. How many more people do we want? Is there any limit? Most facets of life are impacted: traffic, parking, crowding at parks, lines in stores, more roads into our forests, more development, pollution. (And it is much the same on the East and West Coasts.)
We are not like Japan, with its declining birth rate. Hawaii and the U.S. have vibrant birth rates; population will rise without immigration. Enough already.
2) Illegal immigrants, almost universally hard working and mostly law-abiding, outcompete many Americans for jobs. Relatively high wages compared to home are the impetus. Many statisticians have been dishonest here; yes immigration helps the economy as a whole, but it is very harmful to certain groups.
Fact: In the 1960s, African Americans held the majority of janitorial, car wash, and day labor positions nationwide. These folks have been almost completely supplanted by illegals (and legal immigrants). Result: high unemployment in the black community. It is extraordinary how immigration supporters have been able to obscure/deny this fact.
In Hawaii we have many dysfunctional folks (paroles and homeless) that need to be “reintegrated.” (the buzzword of sociologists). These folks are mostly poorly educated; there is a very long list of jobs that many of these folks are not suitable for. Landscaping and farm labor--work that can be done with little training and that has minimal “presentation requirements”--are two jobs that these folks can be shifted into over the next 2 decades. Illegal immigration (and large scale legal immigration) hinders this process.
On my context problem regarding your “being sent to Australia” hypothetical, pardon my misinterpretation.
My comment: And they and their supporters should not be lobbying for the right to enter illegally. Your reply: No one is making that argument.
I am not going to cite links; just google “open borders in America.” Huge sentiment for this, and disregarding current immigration law. Large numbers of illegals enter the U.S. with the assumption that things will work out in due course regarding citizenship, e.g., amnesty.
You mention “paranoia” about illegals ("paranoia" has a rather negative connotation). There are factors other than a supposed fear or dislike of newcomers.
1) I agree with the anti-immigration position that the Sierra Club took decades ago (it has since shifted to pro-immigration; PC pressure, IMO). We have way too many people in the U.S. already. Look at Honolulu; the overcrowding is insane, IMO. How many more people do we want? Is there any limit? Most facets of life are impacted: traffic, parking, crowding at parks, lines in stores, more roads into our forests, more development, pollution. (And it is much the same on the East and West Coasts.)
We are not like Japan, with its declining birth rate. Hawaii and the U.S. have vibrant birth rates; population will rise without immigration. Enough already.
2) Illegal immigrants, almost universally hard working and mostly law-abiding, outcompete many Americans for jobs. Relatively high wages compared to home are the impetus. Many statisticians have been dishonest here; yes immigration helps the economy as a whole, but it is very harmful to certain groups.
Fact: In the 1960s, African Americans held the majority of janitorial, car wash, and day labor positions nationwide. These folks have been almost completely supplanted by illegals (and legal immigrants). Result: high unemployment in the black community. It is extraordinary how immigration supporters have been able to obscure/deny this fact.
In Hawaii we have many dysfunctional folks (paroles and homeless) that need to be “reintegrated.” (the buzzword of sociologists). These folks are mostly poorly educated; there is a very long list of jobs that many of these folks are not suitable for. Landscaping and farm labor--work that can be done with little training and that has minimal “presentation requirements”--are two jobs that these folks can be shifted into over the next 2 decades. Illegal immigration (and large scale legal immigration) hinders this process.