10-02-2017, 01:59 PM
Nobody is preventing anyone from gathering or praying anywhere.
One example:
If you walk out the trail to Shipman Beach from the end of Beach Road in HPP, you pass through an area that in ancient times was the largest population center for Hawaiians on Big Island. If ever there is a place where one could be assured with certainty that Hawaiian religious ceremonies took place, this is the place. There are clear and obvious signs of the old village, rock walls, paddocks, and coconut groves. In almost 20 years of hiking that area I only once saw signs of a possible religious ceremony that may have taken place. But it may also have been rocks stacked by the keiki of fisherman while their parents cast their lines. I wasn't certain which it was.
A short distance north of the village is a high promenatory where it's said the first hula was performed. Once I heard someone say members of a halau from off island danced there, but other than that have never seen signs or heard reports that hula practitioners ever visit the site.
If such easily accessible places of known ancient Hawaiian culture are rarely traveled to for religious purposes, or hula, or chant, your argument gypsy, for keeping Mauna Kea as it was hundreds of years ago to provide practitioners with a place to pray, perform, or sing, is without merit, as easily accessible sites are already available but almost never used.
The Donner Party really wasn't that great of a party, was it?
One example:
If you walk out the trail to Shipman Beach from the end of Beach Road in HPP, you pass through an area that in ancient times was the largest population center for Hawaiians on Big Island. If ever there is a place where one could be assured with certainty that Hawaiian religious ceremonies took place, this is the place. There are clear and obvious signs of the old village, rock walls, paddocks, and coconut groves. In almost 20 years of hiking that area I only once saw signs of a possible religious ceremony that may have taken place. But it may also have been rocks stacked by the keiki of fisherman while their parents cast their lines. I wasn't certain which it was.
A short distance north of the village is a high promenatory where it's said the first hula was performed. Once I heard someone say members of a halau from off island danced there, but other than that have never seen signs or heard reports that hula practitioners ever visit the site.
If such easily accessible places of known ancient Hawaiian culture are rarely traveled to for religious purposes, or hula, or chant, your argument gypsy, for keeping Mauna Kea as it was hundreds of years ago to provide practitioners with a place to pray, perform, or sing, is without merit, as easily accessible sites are already available but almost never used.
The Donner Party really wasn't that great of a party, was it?
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