10-02-2017, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by gypsy69
#1:
...It's refreshing to see that even you can recognize their are more than one side to this discussion....
#2: If you truly would like to see an understanding or agreement within the Hawaiian community then allow the other side to have their voice and facts recognized for ONCE.... (also something about 13 times they lost to telescopes].
#3:
[Telescopes help no hawaiians]
#4:
Are you saying or writing that NO new Hawaiian ceremonies, traditions, burials, stacking of rocks, or events are allowed on the top of their mountain of Mauna Kea because they were made or started after a road or foreign telescope was built?
Why make it harder for some of the Hawaiian people today to continue to live and learn in their traditional ways?
Let's unpack this because it's all distorted.
#1: First off, I've always said since day 1 this issue is for Hawaiians to work out and I've asked you so many times to just butt out of it but you want to vocally fight for one side of Hawaiians for some reason.
#2: I personally have nothing to do with suppressing anyone's voice, but they've had 7 years now on this project to voice their concerns. They've also been invited to the EIS process for all the other telescopes and only decided under Kelly Priscotta took them to court and Nasa just gave up paying for their outrigger expansion. So two times they decided to fight, both times lead by the same person who had an axe to grind over her Ahu stone and family ashes going missing.
#3: We've had this discussion so many times now that I think you have just brain washed yourself into believing this lie.
#4: First off Hawaiians were kept away from the mountain because it was dangerous and declared Kapu. Secondly, all these people protesting up there would have been killed under Kapu. Thirdly, just because they've invented new ceremonies and declared them sacred to the culture they do not have absolute rights to the location. Period.
And lastly as pointed out in the Hearing and BLRN report, there is nothing doing them any harm or will restrict them from continuing doing what they are doing up there.
The land belongs to the state. There will always be the State of Hawaii as long as the USA exists, it's just a simple fact that wishing and screaming about treaties and occupations won't change. It beats having been occupied by Japan or had WW2 battle here instead of midway. There are countless benefits to being a state as many places, perhaps like Puerto Rico, can attest to. It's easy to forget and easy to point fingers, especially at the past.
#1:
...It's refreshing to see that even you can recognize their are more than one side to this discussion....
#2: If you truly would like to see an understanding or agreement within the Hawaiian community then allow the other side to have their voice and facts recognized for ONCE.... (also something about 13 times they lost to telescopes].
#3:
[Telescopes help no hawaiians]
#4:
Are you saying or writing that NO new Hawaiian ceremonies, traditions, burials, stacking of rocks, or events are allowed on the top of their mountain of Mauna Kea because they were made or started after a road or foreign telescope was built?
Why make it harder for some of the Hawaiian people today to continue to live and learn in their traditional ways?
Let's unpack this because it's all distorted.
#1: First off, I've always said since day 1 this issue is for Hawaiians to work out and I've asked you so many times to just butt out of it but you want to vocally fight for one side of Hawaiians for some reason.
#2: I personally have nothing to do with suppressing anyone's voice, but they've had 7 years now on this project to voice their concerns. They've also been invited to the EIS process for all the other telescopes and only decided under Kelly Priscotta took them to court and Nasa just gave up paying for their outrigger expansion. So two times they decided to fight, both times lead by the same person who had an axe to grind over her Ahu stone and family ashes going missing.
#3: We've had this discussion so many times now that I think you have just brain washed yourself into believing this lie.
#4: First off Hawaiians were kept away from the mountain because it was dangerous and declared Kapu. Secondly, all these people protesting up there would have been killed under Kapu. Thirdly, just because they've invented new ceremonies and declared them sacred to the culture they do not have absolute rights to the location. Period.
And lastly as pointed out in the Hearing and BLRN report, there is nothing doing them any harm or will restrict them from continuing doing what they are doing up there.
The land belongs to the state. There will always be the State of Hawaii as long as the USA exists, it's just a simple fact that wishing and screaming about treaties and occupations won't change. It beats having been occupied by Japan or had WW2 battle here instead of midway. There are countless benefits to being a state as many places, perhaps like Puerto Rico, can attest to. It's easy to forget and easy to point fingers, especially at the past.