02-07-2018, 01:45 PM
Thanks for the additional information. I just have a bone to pick.
Dist 2 rep wants the mailboxes no matter what. She claims that all those that voted No are people who have mailboxes already, which is totally false. Despite the overwhelming # of No votes, she's forging ahead saying the Memberships votes don't matter. There is no land they can use for the mailboxes as HPP's 20 acre lots can only be used for parks and schools. The board can't assess members for mailbox $$$ as there are no bylaw provisions that allows this. If the board officer makeup changes, I believe she will actively forge ahead.
The resignation of a mailbox committee person occurred after the mailbox project blew up in their faces and angry members came forward. There was no board approval to assess the membership $$$ for mailboxes and attach late fees if not paid by such and such a date. There was no board approval to spend $$$ for the printing of the flyers inserted in our billings, nor board
Ok. So here's a problem that illustrates HPP's community issues. There's no way to verify what you say, but I believe it. However there's no records of anything. All I can tell you is everyone I know voted for it because none of them have mailboxes, those that told me later they were against it...well guess what they have boxes. (I also feel this applies to paved road people vs dirt road people, but that's another subject.)
Secondly where did all these mailboxes that are here come from to start with? Wouldn't they have violated the bylaws at some point? Were fees collected? Why can't I get one too? I'll send a check today.
And lastly, having mail is a basic service. I know some people on punaweb poo-poo it as "antiquated" and "don't move my mailbox because I like to walk to it", but come on people think of the community. Yes it takes some property, but let's be realistic. All that land is probably never going to be 100% parks and schools. We need to adapt a little to the changing issues.
So yeah, perhaps the bylaws then should really be enforced and all the mailboxes removed then because they must have cost something at some point, and it's not a road. Or perhaps we should just do the right thing and allow everyone access to the same services. What it devolved into was a petty argument and attacking people. If I recall correctly the person proposing the mailboxes was so harassed they left Hawaii.
Bottom line: I feel a community run HPPOA is a mistake. They have obviously proved over decades that without a doubt private unqualified citizens can not manage such a large complex financial endeavor. Too many people don't have the time, stamina or drive to follow all the hidden actions of the HPPOA and hold them accountable. And the noise levels are so high that most sane people just pay their dues and ignore the drama because the truth is so obscured.
Dist 2 rep wants the mailboxes no matter what. She claims that all those that voted No are people who have mailboxes already, which is totally false. Despite the overwhelming # of No votes, she's forging ahead saying the Memberships votes don't matter. There is no land they can use for the mailboxes as HPP's 20 acre lots can only be used for parks and schools. The board can't assess members for mailbox $$$ as there are no bylaw provisions that allows this. If the board officer makeup changes, I believe she will actively forge ahead.
The resignation of a mailbox committee person occurred after the mailbox project blew up in their faces and angry members came forward. There was no board approval to assess the membership $$$ for mailboxes and attach late fees if not paid by such and such a date. There was no board approval to spend $$$ for the printing of the flyers inserted in our billings, nor board
Ok. So here's a problem that illustrates HPP's community issues. There's no way to verify what you say, but I believe it. However there's no records of anything. All I can tell you is everyone I know voted for it because none of them have mailboxes, those that told me later they were against it...well guess what they have boxes. (I also feel this applies to paved road people vs dirt road people, but that's another subject.)
Secondly where did all these mailboxes that are here come from to start with? Wouldn't they have violated the bylaws at some point? Were fees collected? Why can't I get one too? I'll send a check today.
And lastly, having mail is a basic service. I know some people on punaweb poo-poo it as "antiquated" and "don't move my mailbox because I like to walk to it", but come on people think of the community. Yes it takes some property, but let's be realistic. All that land is probably never going to be 100% parks and schools. We need to adapt a little to the changing issues.
So yeah, perhaps the bylaws then should really be enforced and all the mailboxes removed then because they must have cost something at some point, and it's not a road. Or perhaps we should just do the right thing and allow everyone access to the same services. What it devolved into was a petty argument and attacking people. If I recall correctly the person proposing the mailboxes was so harassed they left Hawaii.
Bottom line: I feel a community run HPPOA is a mistake. They have obviously proved over decades that without a doubt private unqualified citizens can not manage such a large complex financial endeavor. Too many people don't have the time, stamina or drive to follow all the hidden actions of the HPPOA and hold them accountable. And the noise levels are so high that most sane people just pay their dues and ignore the drama because the truth is so obscured.