01-16-2020, 07:01 PM
the point is their garden was stolen from them in the first place
Walmart, Home Depot, Target, Safeway, all totally acceptable and built without protests, but the TMT is obviously desecration because it happens to cost 100x as much as those big-box stores.
I'm sure someone will point out that some land is sacred and other land is not -- but when "the" Hawaiians argue against that big new radar installation on Oahu, they claim that it's not possible to draw lines around "the sacred part" because all the land is sacred.
Stopping the TMT will not magically cause the land to be returned. It will probably disrupt the economy, but I see no plans for an alternate Hawaiian economy to replace it with jobs and commerce.
TL;DR I find the arguments less than compelling simply because they aren't cohesive, much like "the" Hawaiians, many factions who each want different things (including some who have no problem with the TMT being built).
Related: it's been said that ground-based telescopes are obsolete and we should be building telescopes in space -- so long as they are launched from somewhere else, because it's too much of a burden to have it here.
Just like that composting facility which we still don't have, such that all those newfangled "not styrofoam" clamshells end up in the landfill anyway. "Respect the aina" indeed.
Walmart, Home Depot, Target, Safeway, all totally acceptable and built without protests, but the TMT is obviously desecration because it happens to cost 100x as much as those big-box stores.
I'm sure someone will point out that some land is sacred and other land is not -- but when "the" Hawaiians argue against that big new radar installation on Oahu, they claim that it's not possible to draw lines around "the sacred part" because all the land is sacred.
Stopping the TMT will not magically cause the land to be returned. It will probably disrupt the economy, but I see no plans for an alternate Hawaiian economy to replace it with jobs and commerce.
TL;DR I find the arguments less than compelling simply because they aren't cohesive, much like "the" Hawaiians, many factions who each want different things (including some who have no problem with the TMT being built).
Related: it's been said that ground-based telescopes are obsolete and we should be building telescopes in space -- so long as they are launched from somewhere else, because it's too much of a burden to have it here.
Just like that composting facility which we still don't have, such that all those newfangled "not styrofoam" clamshells end up in the landfill anyway. "Respect the aina" indeed.