04-02-2020, 04:23 AM
ironyak
Statistics are simply an insufficient tool for accurately recording or representing such an event as this. While they may be true, the numbers are such a narrow slice of this reality as to be largely meaningless.
So you have declared statistics meaningless. Fair enough. To each his/her own.
I find they, at the very least, provide some perspective. One perspective, yes. But meaningless?
For instance, using the link TomK shared a couple days back...
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
...the Hawaii state death total is estimated at 372. Adjusting for population that would mean 53 deaths on the big island. About a dozen in Puna.
I certainly hope and pray they are wrong and far fewer die. But that does provide perspective. As well as the projection that peak will be early May and ending by July. That is perspective as well. I hope that part is true. The talk of social distancing and the economic damages going on for 18 months was not comforting, to say the least.
How accurate any of this will be in hind site is, of course, yet to be known. But whatever the numbers turn out to be, they would be statistics and be "largely meaningless" even though they represent the tragedy of human death.
I don't think you're in the ostrich camp at all as you've said you're (begrudgingly) willing to social distance (despite not believing in the reasonings or not liking being told what to do or something?)
Begrudgingly? Yeah, I guess that's accurate. Am I supposed to relish it? And then I wouldn't be cold and heartless?
Not believing in the reasoning? I have no idea where you get that idea.
I have and am pretty confidant that I am not one of the Outbreak monkeys on the loose.
I am too. And your sharing of your knowledge here is very welcome.
Money is made up and has no inherent value - if you don't believe so, just go talk to the Fed as they create trillions of dollars out of thin air this month alone. So yes, there are economic consequences that are part of this, but there is also a bottomless tap that can inflate our way out of it, which is now under direction of the Treasury. Alan Greenspan told us all this years ago, wasn't anyone listening?
Ok, now you declare money has no value. Since we _can_ deficit spend we may as well do it even bigger time since it is bottomless tap?
You appear to be dismissing the economic consequences out of hand.
"Money doesn't matter unless you don't have any."
So the almost worthless paper doesn't factor much into my equations, while the human experience does, especially minimizing human suffering. Should we feed, educate, and house more people at all times, of course. But it's not a lack of resources, it's a lack of empathy that prevents this. Anyone who says otherwise is alright, jack, just keep your hands off of my stack.
Wow. I am so happy you have everything figured out for us. I remain fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing, but that is just proof that I lack empathy and am thus the reason there are unfed, uneducated, and homeless people.
Hopefully you can just declare COVID-19 deaths aren't part of the human experience and we would all be set.
I'm not a xxxJ or -A in any sense (I let the missus handle that stuff). I'm deep INTP-T
My apologies. I thought the INTP-P was a typo. I had never heard the T or A bit.
- find the underlying truth and rules be damned when they don't help. Right now there are a lot of old rules and norms that aren't helping and preventing people and society as a whole to face up reality and make the changes needed. The sooner we all realize this and adapt the better off everyone will be and I make no apologies for taking up the soap box or megaphone to say so.
Are you talking about flattening the curve here, or something grander?
Cheers,
Kirt
Statistics are simply an insufficient tool for accurately recording or representing such an event as this. While they may be true, the numbers are such a narrow slice of this reality as to be largely meaningless.
So you have declared statistics meaningless. Fair enough. To each his/her own.
I find they, at the very least, provide some perspective. One perspective, yes. But meaningless?
For instance, using the link TomK shared a couple days back...
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
...the Hawaii state death total is estimated at 372. Adjusting for population that would mean 53 deaths on the big island. About a dozen in Puna.
I certainly hope and pray they are wrong and far fewer die. But that does provide perspective. As well as the projection that peak will be early May and ending by July. That is perspective as well. I hope that part is true. The talk of social distancing and the economic damages going on for 18 months was not comforting, to say the least.
How accurate any of this will be in hind site is, of course, yet to be known. But whatever the numbers turn out to be, they would be statistics and be "largely meaningless" even though they represent the tragedy of human death.
I don't think you're in the ostrich camp at all as you've said you're (begrudgingly) willing to social distance (despite not believing in the reasonings or not liking being told what to do or something?)
Begrudgingly? Yeah, I guess that's accurate. Am I supposed to relish it? And then I wouldn't be cold and heartless?
Not believing in the reasoning? I have no idea where you get that idea.
I have and am pretty confidant that I am not one of the Outbreak monkeys on the loose.
I am too. And your sharing of your knowledge here is very welcome.
Money is made up and has no inherent value - if you don't believe so, just go talk to the Fed as they create trillions of dollars out of thin air this month alone. So yes, there are economic consequences that are part of this, but there is also a bottomless tap that can inflate our way out of it, which is now under direction of the Treasury. Alan Greenspan told us all this years ago, wasn't anyone listening?
Ok, now you declare money has no value. Since we _can_ deficit spend we may as well do it even bigger time since it is bottomless tap?
You appear to be dismissing the economic consequences out of hand.
"Money doesn't matter unless you don't have any."
So the almost worthless paper doesn't factor much into my equations, while the human experience does, especially minimizing human suffering. Should we feed, educate, and house more people at all times, of course. But it's not a lack of resources, it's a lack of empathy that prevents this. Anyone who says otherwise is alright, jack, just keep your hands off of my stack.
Wow. I am so happy you have everything figured out for us. I remain fuzzy on the whole good/bad thing, but that is just proof that I lack empathy and am thus the reason there are unfed, uneducated, and homeless people.
Hopefully you can just declare COVID-19 deaths aren't part of the human experience and we would all be set.
I'm not a xxxJ or -A in any sense (I let the missus handle that stuff). I'm deep INTP-T
My apologies. I thought the INTP-P was a typo. I had never heard the T or A bit.
- find the underlying truth and rules be damned when they don't help. Right now there are a lot of old rules and norms that aren't helping and preventing people and society as a whole to face up reality and make the changes needed. The sooner we all realize this and adapt the better off everyone will be and I make no apologies for taking up the soap box or megaphone to say so.
Are you talking about flattening the curve here, or something grander?
Cheers,
Kirt