Kazumura Cave

[MikeyMike11]

•  I also suspect we, as citizens, do not have land use rights in lava tubes other than how they apply to being directly below our own surface defined, and legally codified, land. But hey, I really don't know. Though I suspect there are some here that may, or at least would like to speculate?
  

You are somewhat correct here, but that does not stop others from conducting cave tours through this cave... There are only 2 I am aware of. You can read more here: https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session20...8_cd1_.htm
As you can see it is very cave owner friendly, and generally follows the land use and ownership that we see on the Mainland with property rights extending to the center of the Earth. I don't necessarily agree with it, but it is what it is.
About access: -7 Access. No person may enter or traverse a cave, or any segment thereof, without the property owner's prior written consent.

• Even so, I agree, the Kazumura tube system is super cool. But going beyond just appreciating it here, where we can't even get it together to have a decent road system, let alone water and sewage systems, or a government structure that really works, or a culture that has contrary ideas of land use, is asking way too much. At least not in this lifetime. And besides, in a land where every rock is potentially someone elses concern a venture of the sort you are suggesting is bound to upset someone. But hey, whatever you end up doing good luck to you and yours, and yes, keep us informed.
  

You are also correct here... I know for certain I will be upsetting "someone". But this particular individual has a cesspit in this Kapu. And yet their message is the same as mine: preservation. We will see. I will be meeting with them, and how this meeting will go will be dependent totally on their actions, behaviors, and attitude towards me. I am a business owner who focuses on eco-tourism. I understand the nature of a sacred space, as believe it or not, we have them also on the Mainland.

Many cavers are good at keeping secrets. I love caves, and have had many adventures in caves in the Northern Rockies. I like to share my experiences with others, and have had almost 20 years experience in the tourism industry. Around this entrance, I counted 4 homes, and 1 AirBnB. My lot will not even have a permanent structure on it (to avoid Hawaii County's onerous permitting process), and a food forest. Our focus will be strictly sustainability, as that is the life we choose to lead. I will have an open invitation to those people who may want to keep it "private" or "secret". But hopefully they can see that their message that they deliver to their guests of anti-commercialization (while charging per head), and preservation (while dumping their **** into the pristine underground waters) is at odds with what is really happening. This tends to happen when 1 or 2 individuals lay claim to an area and decide what is what. 

There is also another enormous secret cave on Hualālai. This one is the steepest lava tube in the world, and honestly, should probably remain secret. Once Instagram gets ahold of something it goes to hell. This spot is very beautiful, maybe the most beautiful spot. There is no need for more "cave tours" with Kazumura being so vast and easy to traverse, and this one should remain shrouded by the mists, let's say.

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Good luck suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fools in your efforts to start a business in Hawaii County. I'm looking forward to visiting your attraction before it gets shut down!

Do you have any more info on this, as it is my main concern?

I feel as if the time is ripe for a new business in Hawaii. With the State still shut down, the State budget must be aching right now, and ready for more cash in the form of taxes. I pay them here where our other business is based, and they go straight to the State fund which pays for schools, roads, police, etc. I am not anti-tax, I just ask that I be able to do what I do, within reason. Some may see that as a form of extortion, but we have always seen it as a way of giving back.

I don't know how the State would regulate this, but I'm also not looking to stir up any controversy, so if there's no regulations in place, then well, they will be lucky to have someone like me, who wants to preserve this underground space.