(08-30-2024, 08:04 PM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: the reality is it was cold even in summer, mining anything by hand is laborious backbreaking work, laborers were separated from family for probably months at a time...
My goodness, Edge, do you not see the assumptions your position requires?
The point is you're trying to squeeze a round into a square, or some other you won't get it as long as you hold onto the assumption the rest of the world thinks like you. Otherwise, you'd realize the staff by which you suggest we measure the differences is bias to one end of the spectrum of possibilities. So much so it doesn't encompass most of them. So, as a staff, it fails.
I really think you'd benefit, and I believe I suggested this before so be patient with me, from contemplating the role one's mother tongue plays in the formation, the actual physical formation, of their fundamental neural paths. And how these in turn determine one's world view and how all things in their life unfolds. You'll remember I suggested reading the works of Gary Snyder on the subject.. and one of his more recent articles Language goes Two Ways. And then, from that perspective, consider the differences between the Hawaiian language and English. They are not even remotely similar..
And then, with that in mind, we might consider how limited our perception of the Hawaiian's past is. You can weigh and measure all you want but without the data your system requires it's all speculation. And, you know, I haven't seen any, in writing, attempt to capture what it was to be a part of the team? Family? Ohana? that worked the adze. I did spend a night up there huddled in a small cave opening blocked from the wind and surrounded by a massive amount rock chips so as to imagine.. but what do I know? Nothing.. other than to approach it all with an open mind not clouded and misdirected by my own assumptions.
But then, you really ain’t all that different from all those that have mucked stuff up with their assumptions. Just look how screwed up the whole astronomy issue is. White man thinks they have a good thing, and yet they can’t figure out how to communicate with other’s that say otherwise, and their egos won’t let them see it, no matter how hard they try.. so they strut around thinking omg nobody understands me when in fact it's them that lacks comprehension..