HPE - Do we know why there are shrines near the adze quarry?
For religious purposes?
https://www.nps.gov/places/mauna-kea-adz-quarry.htm
"More than 35 shrines rest on high points throughout the complex. The shrines consist mostly of upright stones made of angular slabs of rock. The two classes of shrines at Mauna Kea Adz Quarry are occupational and non-occupational. Occupational shrines appear to be related to adze production, are generally found near workshops, and have items such as stone flakes and preformed blades left on or very near the shrines. Non-occupational shrines do not appear to be associated with adze making and range in complexity from small groups of upright stones to shrines with pavements, prepared courts, and a large number of uprights stones. It is thought that the shrines were meant for the different small and large gods associated with Mauna Kea. Non-workshop-associated shrines found near an open-air shelter at Lake Waiau, a sacred alpine lake near the summit, may possibly be associated with the snow line and Poli'ahu the goddesses of snow who resides on the volcano."
Your point?
HPE - Whether they were built concurrently, or as part of the process?
Not that I know of, but this isn't my area of expertise. As mentioned in the video, most of the adze blanks and chips date anywhere from 1400 to 1800 CE, but radiocarbon dating may push early work at the site to around 1000 CE, so plenty of time for the complex to develop.
HPE - Or was the road to the quarry the best road up Mauna Kea due to the amount of traffic and transportation of food up and adze down, so cultural practitioners found it the best route if they wanted to climb the mauna, either as mining community or as a separate shrine in the heavens?
It would be hard to imagine that it was the most difficult route up the mauna, as it's already a bit of a task to get up there. If you're trying to make a point, it might be helpful just to say it?
Understanding that, for me personally, when someone provides an interpretation of how the site was used, who has decades of experience and the access and motivation to review tons of related academic research, I tend to listen to their expertise. Can an alternate narrative be made? Sure, but given it's not grounded in the same level of experience and academic knowledge, it's hard to give it a similar weight of consideration.
https://keolamagazine.com/land/the-story-of-iliahi/
"All the people—chiefs and commoners—worked at cutting and carrying sandalwood. Consequently, the crops were neglected and famine fell like a dark cloud over the sandalwood mountains."
Yeah, capitalistic inducement can be a bitch. As we're just speculating, I would suggest the fact that there were still vast sandlewood forests available, that this type of mass harvesting was not the usual mode of gathering this resource in pre-contact Hawaii? The rest of that history, the debts to imperial powers, the ecological devastation, and such, all are what we would now call part of a Resource Curse that we've seen play out repeatedly in colonized lands over gold, oil, and many other natural resources.
HPE - Would it be a construct of the “haole mind” to think the job description for chiefs was different than that of commoners? Management and labor?
Maybe not to think it, but maybe to assume to know the actual nature of that relationship? As mentioned, maybe other comparisons like foreman and crew, or coach and team, or respected familial elder and young helpers, might equally apply. Or maybe the arrangement is something we just don't have a good comparison point for, given its nuance and complexities, and it may not be a great idea to guess at the mindset and motivations?
Genuine question - do you speak a second language HPE? In my modest attempts to acquire a second language (Japanese), it's not just vocab, syntax, and grammar that have to be absorbed, it's the unique cultural and social considerations of the language (who is speaking, to whom, in what context, etc) that makes a simple question from an American in English, e.g. "How's your family?", a intricate maze of considerations in Japanese (is the speaker male or female? speaking to a male or female? of similar age? nature of the relationship? at school, work, or home? etc). This cultural framework is extra tricky to figure out when not born and raised in it, such as for a gai-jin/haole like myself, so while I do my best to understand differing cultural perspectives, I don't presume that I know their intricate details and nuances well.
TLDR: Do you even expertise bro? ;)
For religious purposes?
https://www.nps.gov/places/mauna-kea-adz-quarry.htm
"More than 35 shrines rest on high points throughout the complex. The shrines consist mostly of upright stones made of angular slabs of rock. The two classes of shrines at Mauna Kea Adz Quarry are occupational and non-occupational. Occupational shrines appear to be related to adze production, are generally found near workshops, and have items such as stone flakes and preformed blades left on or very near the shrines. Non-occupational shrines do not appear to be associated with adze making and range in complexity from small groups of upright stones to shrines with pavements, prepared courts, and a large number of uprights stones. It is thought that the shrines were meant for the different small and large gods associated with Mauna Kea. Non-workshop-associated shrines found near an open-air shelter at Lake Waiau, a sacred alpine lake near the summit, may possibly be associated with the snow line and Poli'ahu the goddesses of snow who resides on the volcano."
Your point?
HPE - Whether they were built concurrently, or as part of the process?
Not that I know of, but this isn't my area of expertise. As mentioned in the video, most of the adze blanks and chips date anywhere from 1400 to 1800 CE, but radiocarbon dating may push early work at the site to around 1000 CE, so plenty of time for the complex to develop.
HPE - Or was the road to the quarry the best road up Mauna Kea due to the amount of traffic and transportation of food up and adze down, so cultural practitioners found it the best route if they wanted to climb the mauna, either as mining community or as a separate shrine in the heavens?
It would be hard to imagine that it was the most difficult route up the mauna, as it's already a bit of a task to get up there. If you're trying to make a point, it might be helpful just to say it?
Understanding that, for me personally, when someone provides an interpretation of how the site was used, who has decades of experience and the access and motivation to review tons of related academic research, I tend to listen to their expertise. Can an alternate narrative be made? Sure, but given it's not grounded in the same level of experience and academic knowledge, it's hard to give it a similar weight of consideration.
https://keolamagazine.com/land/the-story-of-iliahi/
"All the people—chiefs and commoners—worked at cutting and carrying sandalwood. Consequently, the crops were neglected and famine fell like a dark cloud over the sandalwood mountains."
Yeah, capitalistic inducement can be a bitch. As we're just speculating, I would suggest the fact that there were still vast sandlewood forests available, that this type of mass harvesting was not the usual mode of gathering this resource in pre-contact Hawaii? The rest of that history, the debts to imperial powers, the ecological devastation, and such, all are what we would now call part of a Resource Curse that we've seen play out repeatedly in colonized lands over gold, oil, and many other natural resources.
HPE - Would it be a construct of the “haole mind” to think the job description for chiefs was different than that of commoners? Management and labor?
Maybe not to think it, but maybe to assume to know the actual nature of that relationship? As mentioned, maybe other comparisons like foreman and crew, or coach and team, or respected familial elder and young helpers, might equally apply. Or maybe the arrangement is something we just don't have a good comparison point for, given its nuance and complexities, and it may not be a great idea to guess at the mindset and motivations?
Genuine question - do you speak a second language HPE? In my modest attempts to acquire a second language (Japanese), it's not just vocab, syntax, and grammar that have to be absorbed, it's the unique cultural and social considerations of the language (who is speaking, to whom, in what context, etc) that makes a simple question from an American in English, e.g. "How's your family?", a intricate maze of considerations in Japanese (is the speaker male or female? speaking to a male or female? of similar age? nature of the relationship? at school, work, or home? etc). This cultural framework is extra tricky to figure out when not born and raised in it, such as for a gai-jin/haole like myself, so while I do my best to understand differing cultural perspectives, I don't presume that I know their intricate details and nuances well.
TLDR: Do you even expertise bro? ;)