TomK - I agree that companies should clean up their mess...
As cruise ships coming to Hawaii are the ones making the mess, then that would mean they, and their customers, should be the ones paying to clean it up, right? Why should other people be burdened with paying to clean up pollution that they did not make? Talk about taxation without representation! (now extend this to inter-generational considerations to understand why the kids are not alright with the mess that is being pushed off to them)
MM - have common interests that if taken together suggest we could stand on our own, and divorce ourselves from the Union
It actually seems like California, not the Hawaii or Texas sovereignty movements, is farthest along in considering how a legal exit might work. Or there are regional efforts like Cascadia movements that look at bioregional divides, similar to ahupua'a in Hawaii, to create more sustainable localities and communities.
Not sure, if or how, such changes are achieved, and whether it takes people pushing the process, or it happening as a natural result from a weakening of the "political bands which have connected them with another", or just as a monetary necessity as it becomes increasingly untenable to keep bailing out state after state from climate induced damages, such as the fires in Lahaina and LA, but do agree there is in something floating on the wind with distinct hints of political separation.
And hey, with no more nation to butt in on local affairs, this forum would always be free from national politics! Make Punaweb, and Puna, Hawaii-only again! ;)
As cruise ships coming to Hawaii are the ones making the mess, then that would mean they, and their customers, should be the ones paying to clean it up, right? Why should other people be burdened with paying to clean up pollution that they did not make? Talk about taxation without representation! (now extend this to inter-generational considerations to understand why the kids are not alright with the mess that is being pushed off to them)
MM - have common interests that if taken together suggest we could stand on our own, and divorce ourselves from the Union
It actually seems like California, not the Hawaii or Texas sovereignty movements, is farthest along in considering how a legal exit might work. Or there are regional efforts like Cascadia movements that look at bioregional divides, similar to ahupua'a in Hawaii, to create more sustainable localities and communities.
Not sure, if or how, such changes are achieved, and whether it takes people pushing the process, or it happening as a natural result from a weakening of the "political bands which have connected them with another", or just as a monetary necessity as it becomes increasingly untenable to keep bailing out state after state from climate induced damages, such as the fires in Lahaina and LA, but do agree there is in something floating on the wind with distinct hints of political separation.
And hey, with no more nation to butt in on local affairs, this forum would always be free from national politics! Make Punaweb, and Puna, Hawaii-only again! ;)