01-31-2008, 11:02 AM
Pins fall over, pins rust out, pins get knocked over by tractors or other equipment and are put back in the ground by the guy running the equipment who's "pretty sure" that the pin was where he put it back.
Yes, they were pinned when it was subdivided. HPP, for example, was subdivided before we became a state. Nanawale was subdivided in 1961. Hawaiian Acres was subdivided sometime between 1958 (when the land was bought by the developer) and about 1962. Sure, there were pins and surveys done -- over 40 years ago.
I just think its smarter to get it redone rather than trusting that the pins that were placed there many years ago are the ones you're finding now. I'd also like to think that survey accuracy has improved since the 1960's.
There's pins clearly visible on an older property that I own. Imagine my surprise when a modern survey was done and it was discovered that part of my wall (that's been there 40 years) is partially on the other property. Thankfully for me, it falls under what is known as "de minimus structure position discrepency" and nothing has to be done.
To quote from a well-respected Hawaiian real estate book, "1997 amendments to our statutes attempted to limit probems arising from encroachments of improvements that were the subject of older, less accurate surveys". (emphasis mine)
On agricultural land (like nearly all of Puna), regardless of lot size, the de minimus structure position discrepency is only 9 inches. So if those 40 year old pins are off by 2 feet on a standard Hawaiian Acres lot and you build against that setback (based on the pins), you could have to move a house.
In Rob's case where he needed help to locate some of the middle points on the line, he probably has no worries. He's a smart guy and knows the building codes and planning department rules probably far better than I do, so I trust his judgement in using the right tools (be it a pinfinder or surveyor) for his needs. My warning is to other people (and I include myself in that group) who may not have Rob's detailed knowledge and want to be sure that they are safe in what they plan to do.
And no, I am not paid by the Surveyor's Licensing Board or whatever they may be called. I've just personally been witness to too many horror stories.
John Dirgo, R, ABR, e-PRO
Aloha Coast Realty, LLC
808-987-9243 cell
http://www.alohacoastrealty.com
Yes, they were pinned when it was subdivided. HPP, for example, was subdivided before we became a state. Nanawale was subdivided in 1961. Hawaiian Acres was subdivided sometime between 1958 (when the land was bought by the developer) and about 1962. Sure, there were pins and surveys done -- over 40 years ago.
I just think its smarter to get it redone rather than trusting that the pins that were placed there many years ago are the ones you're finding now. I'd also like to think that survey accuracy has improved since the 1960's.
There's pins clearly visible on an older property that I own. Imagine my surprise when a modern survey was done and it was discovered that part of my wall (that's been there 40 years) is partially on the other property. Thankfully for me, it falls under what is known as "de minimus structure position discrepency" and nothing has to be done.
To quote from a well-respected Hawaiian real estate book, "1997 amendments to our statutes attempted to limit probems arising from encroachments of improvements that were the subject of older, less accurate surveys". (emphasis mine)
On agricultural land (like nearly all of Puna), regardless of lot size, the de minimus structure position discrepency is only 9 inches. So if those 40 year old pins are off by 2 feet on a standard Hawaiian Acres lot and you build against that setback (based on the pins), you could have to move a house.
In Rob's case where he needed help to locate some of the middle points on the line, he probably has no worries. He's a smart guy and knows the building codes and planning department rules probably far better than I do, so I trust his judgement in using the right tools (be it a pinfinder or surveyor) for his needs. My warning is to other people (and I include myself in that group) who may not have Rob's detailed knowledge and want to be sure that they are safe in what they plan to do.
And no, I am not paid by the Surveyor's Licensing Board or whatever they may be called. I've just personally been witness to too many horror stories.
John Dirgo, R, ABR, e-PRO
Aloha Coast Realty, LLC
808-987-9243 cell
http://www.alohacoastrealty.com
John Dirgo, R, PB, EcoBroker, ABR, e-PRO
Aloha Coast Realty, LLC
808-987-9243 cell
http://www.alohacoastrealty.com
http://www.bigislandvacationrentals.com
http://www.maui-vacation-rentals.com
Aloha Coast Realty, LLC
808-987-9243 cell
http://www.alohacoastrealty.com
http://www.bigislandvacationrentals.com
http://www.maui-vacation-rentals.com