03-07-2008, 02:19 PM
Hi Mitzi, nice to meet you, be assured I agree with you in sentiment entirely,
but. . .
Number one threat according to who?
Compared to a 5 degree C change in 100 years?
Compared to the Intertropical Convergent Zone far enough north that we loose the trades, for all or part of the year?
Compared to business as usual development and crappy building?
I would have a pretty hard time believing that. After all, the stands of invasive trees aren't ideal, but not dead zones either. Dead zones and desertification may be what we face. If we loose 20 inches of rain a year, even that, the game is up for Hawaii. The vilification of these very viable species are what leads to biomass to energy plants--and that will lead to wholesale logging of these areas to keep lights burning--and what after we burn it all down?
I worry we progressives simply ape notions that made sense 30 years ago because even we are that far behind the times. That's my point about the invasives. I'm listening to the data, but I can't help but believe it's rapidly becoming a fringe issue and a distraction--although wholly valid and important--but at this late date we simply don't have the luxury of dealing with it.
Thoughts?
but. . .
Number one threat according to who?
Compared to a 5 degree C change in 100 years?
Compared to the Intertropical Convergent Zone far enough north that we loose the trades, for all or part of the year?
Compared to business as usual development and crappy building?
I would have a pretty hard time believing that. After all, the stands of invasive trees aren't ideal, but not dead zones either. Dead zones and desertification may be what we face. If we loose 20 inches of rain a year, even that, the game is up for Hawaii. The vilification of these very viable species are what leads to biomass to energy plants--and that will lead to wholesale logging of these areas to keep lights burning--and what after we burn it all down?
I worry we progressives simply ape notions that made sense 30 years ago because even we are that far behind the times. That's my point about the invasives. I'm listening to the data, but I can't help but believe it's rapidly becoming a fringe issue and a distraction--although wholly valid and important--but at this late date we simply don't have the luxury of dealing with it.
Thoughts?