12-17-2008, 08:04 AM
rbakker, there are articles on the net about the health complaints during the years when the operation was having blowouts ... before it changed hands. You can find them on google. I linked them once before on Punaweb, but don't have them saved.
Basically the problem people faced with being heard or believed is that there's insufficient information on the negative results of LOW LEVEL hydrogen sulfide over a long period of time. Everyone acknowledges that H2S is lethal over a certain parts per million, but the data is not "hard science" as to whether ppm deemed safe on any one day are safe if breathed over a period of years.
So it comes down to "anecdotal" reports ... and anyway they were "hippies" so they had no credibility.
Jon - I don't know how to reply to your POV except that attitude gets us all disliked.
You should read some more history of how Hawai'i became part of the U.S.. It was a wrongful overthrow; there has been a presidential apology. It just can't be undone.
The rights and beliefs of Native Hawaiians have in the past been considered in making public policy. Shoreline access laws come out of the legal fight to maintain traditional fishing rights. The public policy here is to TRY to strike a balance between development and traditional beliefs. Burial grounds stop multi-million dollar subdivisions ...
Mauna Kea expansion is in question due to the spiritual status of the mountain.
The it's the USA and I'm a citizen argument doesn't fly here with a lot of people.
Basically the problem people faced with being heard or believed is that there's insufficient information on the negative results of LOW LEVEL hydrogen sulfide over a long period of time. Everyone acknowledges that H2S is lethal over a certain parts per million, but the data is not "hard science" as to whether ppm deemed safe on any one day are safe if breathed over a period of years.
So it comes down to "anecdotal" reports ... and anyway they were "hippies" so they had no credibility.
Jon - I don't know how to reply to your POV except that attitude gets us all disliked.
You should read some more history of how Hawai'i became part of the U.S.. It was a wrongful overthrow; there has been a presidential apology. It just can't be undone.
The rights and beliefs of Native Hawaiians have in the past been considered in making public policy. Shoreline access laws come out of the legal fight to maintain traditional fishing rights. The public policy here is to TRY to strike a balance between development and traditional beliefs. Burial grounds stop multi-million dollar subdivisions ...
Mauna Kea expansion is in question due to the spiritual status of the mountain.
The it's the USA and I'm a citizen argument doesn't fly here with a lot of people.