01-19-2009, 10:14 AM
ric
I got annoyed with you because you extrapolated and filled in with your imagination what you thought was the case and you were wrong, and see, are still wrong.
I met John for the first time at a social lunch with another person. The lunch was not real estated related. There was conversation. There was no professional relationship. I don't at all mind having John remind me that he had a good perspective. Did we sit at lunch a year and a half ago and discuss how the market was going to completely tank and the banks go bust, and so forth?
No we did not, and it isn't any of your business.
I'm aware of the reality of the situation. My comment about judgers is directed at people who assume they know the motivations of people they have never met. I'm just sick of the high moral tone of the people who escaped being caught up in it.
Someone said, everything happens for a reason. (Not everyone believes this. My mother who is all about faith would agree and my father who is an atheist and a mathematician could argue for days that there's no proof of that.)
If so, I think I made a decision I very nearly didn't make because I was meant to understand what it's like to stand in the shoes of this widespread misfortune. I didn't get caught in the 2004 tsunami, or Hurricane Katrina, but this one I didn't sidestep. It is certainly a profound lesson.
however, it behooves people who are not learning the lesson or going through the hard times not to stand there waving the finger and all this self-righteousness.
FWIW, I agree with anela. Very few people are compensated enough for their hard work. Ask someone who picks grapes for a living. It's not about how hard you work when it comes to wealth, although few will amass a fortune without working. But there is absolutely nothing about our society as it is structured that prevents very hard working people, who work and save their whole lives, from ending up homeless and broken. Nothing. No reward for righteousness. It's a nice morality fable for the immoral and unscrupulous to use to keep people in line.
Pit the ant personalities against the grasshoppers and let the sniping obscure the massive manipulation that is kept out of view.
I was thinking last night about what was pushing my buttons with this conversation, and I realized in part it is so familiar to me from studying Irish-Anglo relations in grad school. Very much the same arguments that I see here were used by the English to justify waging attempted genocide on the Irish. Weren't thrifty, didn't save, didn't have work ethic, expected luck to save them, the whole stereotype, well deserved that six million died in the Famine, and let's not shed a tear, it's for the best, charity is wasted on the undeserving ... very similar.
I understand and accept the realities. I also believe in compassion.
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I don't know what happens in a conversation between 2 other people, . . . except when they post the conversation online (even though it has now been removed from the post). I just don't see the point in the complaint when the broker's advice was exactly right in that case, and someone didn't believe him.
I got annoyed with you because you extrapolated and filled in with your imagination what you thought was the case and you were wrong, and see, are still wrong.
I met John for the first time at a social lunch with another person. The lunch was not real estated related. There was conversation. There was no professional relationship. I don't at all mind having John remind me that he had a good perspective. Did we sit at lunch a year and a half ago and discuss how the market was going to completely tank and the banks go bust, and so forth?
No we did not, and it isn't any of your business.
I'm aware of the reality of the situation. My comment about judgers is directed at people who assume they know the motivations of people they have never met. I'm just sick of the high moral tone of the people who escaped being caught up in it.
Someone said, everything happens for a reason. (Not everyone believes this. My mother who is all about faith would agree and my father who is an atheist and a mathematician could argue for days that there's no proof of that.)
If so, I think I made a decision I very nearly didn't make because I was meant to understand what it's like to stand in the shoes of this widespread misfortune. I didn't get caught in the 2004 tsunami, or Hurricane Katrina, but this one I didn't sidestep. It is certainly a profound lesson.
however, it behooves people who are not learning the lesson or going through the hard times not to stand there waving the finger and all this self-righteousness.
FWIW, I agree with anela. Very few people are compensated enough for their hard work. Ask someone who picks grapes for a living. It's not about how hard you work when it comes to wealth, although few will amass a fortune without working. But there is absolutely nothing about our society as it is structured that prevents very hard working people, who work and save their whole lives, from ending up homeless and broken. Nothing. No reward for righteousness. It's a nice morality fable for the immoral and unscrupulous to use to keep people in line.
Pit the ant personalities against the grasshoppers and let the sniping obscure the massive manipulation that is kept out of view.
I was thinking last night about what was pushing my buttons with this conversation, and I realized in part it is so familiar to me from studying Irish-Anglo relations in grad school. Very much the same arguments that I see here were used by the English to justify waging attempted genocide on the Irish. Weren't thrifty, didn't save, didn't have work ethic, expected luck to save them, the whole stereotype, well deserved that six million died in the Famine, and let's not shed a tear, it's for the best, charity is wasted on the undeserving ... very similar.
I understand and accept the realities. I also believe in compassion.