Possible relocation of HVO to Oahu

[TomK]

""anything" can happen too."

A well-known incident where volcanic ash almost brought down a 747:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9

It's not the only example:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/20/17030...ash-clouds

"The Volcanic Ash Advisory Centers were formed by the International Civil Aviation Organization after several planes almost crashed from flying through ash clouds. In 1982, for example, two airplanes flying through ash from Indonesia’s Mount Galunggung lost power to their engines and had to make emergency landings. One of them, a British Airways Boeing 747, plummeted more than 20,000 feet before the pilot could restart three of the four engines. Then, in 1989, a jumbo jet nearly crashed after it flew through volcanic ash from Alaska’s Mount Redoubt, and all four of its engines cut out."

The "anything can happen" has already happened and fortunately we now know how to stop potential tragedies from happening. Removing staff from an active volcano capable of launching ash and threatening air travel might not be such a reasonable idea.

[PaulW]

They should go the whole hog and relocate it to California, or DC. Madness.

[Guest]

yea, nothing like 37 year old data to back up a we did not know and never gonna happen again modern scenario. try harder.

meanwhile, lets let hotpie answer for herzelf shall we.

[TomK]

"yea, nothing like 37 year old data to back up a we did not know and never gonna happen again modern scenario. try harder."

The red alert for Hawaii was last year, not 37 years ago. Fortunately, the island had staff that could track the ash clouds and tell the airlines they could still fly to Hilo and Kona. I wonder if that would have been possible if they were located on Oahu.

PS. The "modern scenario" is that volcanic ash can bring down an airliner. It's why air traffic was shut down in Europe a few years ago due to an eruption in Iceland from the unpronounceable volcano. Even if planes fly through the ash, it's likely to damage the engines to the degree that they have to replaced at quite a few million dollars each. Therefore, airlines are very reluctant to take that risk. That means air travel to the Big Island would be at risk with a Kilauea ash eruption and if HVO staff are located in Oahu they couldn't get here quickly.

[Guest]

eta to combine to same poster, better still UK pom yep, and NOTHING HAPPENED bc they knew.

its not something local.

[TomK]

RWR "wrote"

"eta to combine to same poster, better still UK pom yep, and NOTHING HAPPENED bc they knew.

its not something local"

I'd ask for a translation, but RWR's phone bouncing down the stairs seems to be the best description.

[PaulW]

As the night goes on and the alcohol accumulates he gets more and more incoherent.

Great place to observe volcanoes, on an island with zero active ones.

[TomK]

Paul - the thing is I can understand why the feds want to do this, not that I agree with it. I've been through a similar process myself and it's unpleasant; scientists are not good politicians but then politicians are not scientists. I still want to think about this a bit more and would love to get the opinions of HVO scientists although I don't think there are any that post here.

I'll see if I can get in touch with the affected scientists but if anyone else can do the same, I encourage you to do so and post here. It'd be good to get reliable information rather than read the incoherent ravings of mad people.

[Guest]

said it before, its like like prats from London just don't understand English and as defense, instead just try the whole, im mbeh'ta-than-u thing.


eta: to improve my accent for clarity .. say it fast.. it works : )

[TomK]

RWR wrote:

"said it before, its like like prats from London just don't understand English and as defense, instead just try the whole, im betta-than-u thing."

Saved for posterity.