QUESTIONS ABOUT THE HPP PARK

[Patricia]

I wrote to Greggor when he was on the council and encouraged him to get this done.

Then Covid happened.

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I believe at one of Greggor's town halls last year, he said there was more than just Covid that delayed it. The County has a lot of projects it must invest in (infrastructure bring one of them).

The County needs to start accepting its responsibilities and paying its bills just like everyone else. They County would not allow tax payers to skip on their property taxes. Private road maintenance is the same. Ther should be no double standards here.

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If the County owns one lot, don't they pay the same fee as an owner of a one acre lot? That is the way it works in Leilani. those with 2 acre lots pay the same annual fee as the owner of a one acre lot.

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Aloha.

No. Owners pay a road fee for each lot they own.

[Obie]

The county only owns one lot.

Next you'll be suggesting the fire dept pay and what about the water dept ?

[Patricia]

The county only owns one lot.

Next you'll be suggesting the fire dept pay and what about the water dept ?

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Aloha.

The County owns 20 acres. That is 20 lots. And there will be a lot of road usage (among other activities) along those 20 acres.

The fire department and water department are infrastructure needs. One of the FEW infrastructure needs Hawaiian Paradise Park has.

[MyManao]

The County owns 20 acres. That is 20 lots.

Actually it's one lot..

https://qpublic.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspx?AppID=1048&LayerID=23618&PageTypeID=1&PageID=9875

[Patricia]

The County owns 20 acres. That is 20 lots.

Actually it's one lot..

https://qpublic.schneidercorp.com/Application.aspx?AppID=1048&LayerID=23618&PageTypeID=1&PageID=9875

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Aloha.

When I pull that link up, it is showing me a 1 acre lot on Kulina Rd. Is there another link?

[Obie]

Fixed that for you but be careful correcting Patrica because she is always right.

Parcel Number
150392670000
Location Address
KALOLI DRIVE
Project Name
HAWAIIAN PARADISE PARK
Property Class
AGRICULTURAL
Property Class refers to Tax Classification ONLY. For Zoning information, please go to
Planning Department GIS Public Layers (hawaiicounty.gov) or email planning@hawaiicounty.gov
Neighborhood Code
1558
Legal Information
LOT 31 20.00 AC BLK 5 MAP 57 LCAPP 1053
Land Area (acres)
20.0000
Land Area (approximate sq ft)
871,200


Owner Information
Owner Names
COUNTY OF HAWAII Fee Owner
Mailing Address
COUNTY OF HAWAII

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"The fire department and water department are infrastructure needs. One of the FEW infrastructure needs Hawaiian Paradise Park has."

Tell that to the thousands of families with small children who have to use the tiny little playground at the community center.

[Patricia]

Fixed that for you but be careful correcting Patrica because she is always right.

Parcel Number
150392670000
Location Address
KALOLI DRIVE
Project Name
HAWAIIAN PARADISE PARK
Property Class
AGRICULTURAL
Property Class refers to Tax Classification ONLY.  For Zoning information, please go to
Planning Department GIS Public Layers (hawaiicounty.gov) or email planning@hawaiicounty.gov
Neighborhood Code
1558
Legal Information
LOT 31 20.00 AC BLK 5 MAP 57 LCAPP 1053
Land Area (acres)
20.0000
Land Area (approximate sq ft)
871,200


Owner Information
Owner Names
COUNTY OF HAWAII    Fee Owner
Mailing Address
COUNTY OF HAWAII

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"The fire department and water department are infrastructure needs. One of the FEW infrastructure needs Hawaiian Paradise Park has."

Tell that to the thousands of families with small children who have to use the tiny little playground at the community center.

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Fixed that for you but be careful correcting Patrica because she is always right.

Parcel Number
150392670000
Location Address
KALOLI DRIVE
Project Name
HAWAIIAN PARADISE PARK
Property Class
AGRICULTURAL
Property Class refers to Tax Classification ONLY.  For Zoning information, please go to
Planning Department GIS Public Layers (hawaiicounty.gov) or email planning@hawaiicounty.gov
Neighborhood Code
1558
Legal Information
LOT 31 20.00 AC BLK 5 MAP 57 LCAPP 1053
Land Area (acres)
20.0000
Land Area (approximate sq ft)
871,200


Owner Information
Owner Names
COUNTY OF HAWAII    Fee Owner
Mailing Address
COUNTY OF HAWAII

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"The fire department and water department are infrastructure needs. One of the FEW infrastructure needs Hawaiian Paradise Park has."

Tell that to the thousands of families with small children who have to use the tiny little playground at the community center.
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Aloha.

I am not trying to correct anyone. I am just trying g to understand why the same rules for Hawaiian Paradise Park residents do not apply to the County. 

Hawaiian Parasise Park Owners Association bylaws state:

Article XI Assessments
Section 4 Lot Consolidation
Consolidation of lots shall not result in consolidation (reduction) of road maintenance fees or voting rights.

Hawaiian Parasise Park lots are 1 acre, or in my case a little less.

I know many families in Hawaiian Paradise Park with children who struggle with many different issues (paying rent, mortgage, getting to work, paying road maintenance fees). Why should struggling families in Hawaiian Paradise Park be forced to pay road maintenance fees while the County is allowed to skip?

[Obie]

It was never consolidated. It's always been a 20 acre lot.

The County is planning a multi million dollar park. Parks are infrastructure.

Did you ever notice that Paradise is widened down as far as the waterline runs? The County did that because the department of water requires the road to be that width to install a water main.

[Patricia]

It was never consolidated. It's always been a 20 acre lot.

The County is planning a multi million dollar park. Parks are infrastructure.

Did you ever notice that Paradise is widened down as far as the waterline runs?  The County did that because the department of water requires the road to be that width to install a water main.

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Aloha. 

For road maintenance purposes and assessment of road maintenance fees, which are based on the measure of 1 acre or less lots, 20 acres are 20 consolidated lots. 

It is true that parks are infrastructure. And we have a lot of them in Hawaii and in Hawaii County. These existing parks require a lot of money, every year, for upkeep, improvements, maintenance, etc (multi- millions). Parks and Rec have a huge budget. 

Water, wastewater, County roads, etc., are infrastructure as well. And the County of Hawaii has fallen pathetically behind on keeping up with its responsibilities to these types of infrastructure. This hurts all of us. 

Everything costs money. And residents are required to pay and do their fair share. The County of Hawaii owns 20 acres of land in Hawaiian Paradise Park. The courts mandated that all owners must contribute toward the maintenance of the subdivision roads. Lots in Hawaiian Paradose Park are 1 acre or less. Consolidation of lots does not result in reduction of road fees (each lot= one road fee). If Hawaiian Paradise Park Owners are expected to budget and pay their Hawaiian Paradise Park road maintenance fees, then the County of Hawaii should be expected to do the same.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Patricia,
Each of the 20 acre HPP parcels were always designated as one lot, one TMK.  They were not consolidated. It might seem more fair to you that they be considered & assessed 20 road fees, but legally that is not the case.