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Snaks in Puna ???? yep
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12-27-2008, 08:12 AM
Why would they put it in the paper? Only if it gets caught is it a story they want the public to hear. I think they care very much, but practically speaking, just how do you find a snake in the jungle? That's why the website says the first few minutes are about the only chance it will be caught.
12-27-2008, 08:43 AM
maybe the coquis will make the snake population explode.
12-27-2008, 01:02 PM
Well, on the bright side, it will discourage development. . .
I guess so would malaria.
12-27-2008, 02:52 PM
LOL, Jay.
gtill, I hope I didn't sound like I was pro snake, to make you say >>>And it's ok too, because their poison won't kill an adult! Children should be inside studying anyway! I was just curious whether they're venomous after Tom's discussion. Apparently these snakes are aggressive biters. I don't want them here! Most of you probably know why this snake's arrival is so feared, but for those who don't -- the birds of Hawai'i are not adapted to avoid predators that can climb trees. This brown snake, which came to Guam from New Guinea, has wiped out its bird population, and could do the same here. Can you imagine a Hawai'i without bird song? [  ]
12-27-2008, 03:07 PM
Brown tree snakes would be the worst kind of snake to have here. It's not because they are so poisonous; they aren't. They are just such survivors. They are prolific and aggressive and generalists. They can subsist on small fare. I hope the snake sighted was a boa or something similar. The reported diameter does not match a brown tree snake at all. Brown tree snakes are very skinny. One that big around would be like 6 feet long. They are edible but not meaty enough to make it worth while.
12-27-2008, 03:15 PM
Lack -
Did you take your medicine today?[  ]Why would you report something like this to PW and not the POLICE or Dept. of AG? I've heard of nothing yet of this incident besides here on PW. Have you reported it to higher authorities... or would you like me to??? You think you have invasion of privacy now??? Wait till I call in the Gov. and let them know their might be a Snak running around your property. Load your guns now brah. [  ][B)]Rats, Chickens I can handle.... Snaks... I'm calling in the FEDS. p.s. snaks are my favorite! ------ My Blog
12-27-2008, 07:52 PM
As LeeE observed- Rattlesnake's pretty darned tasty. Not sure about brown tree snakes. Yep, I have eaten rattlesnake many times (grew up around them) and they are actually quite good; from the look of the brown tree snake, though, I wonder if those skinny invasive horrors would do for anything but soup. Not very meaty looking. A caution about handling and eating rattlesnake or brown tree snake: please be sure to scrub after handling such critters (using gloves is advised, but scrub, too, even so) and please be especially sure to cook the meat thoroughly. Rattlesnakes and other reptiles are vectors which can transmit an ancient type of parasitic worm to humans. Pentastomids are a sort of taxonomic oddity and living fossil of sorts ...but quite alive and well in the lung of rattlesnakes and other reptiles. Pentastomid worms were probably originally parasites in the lungs of dinosaurs and have perpetuated forward 'til today in the lung of snakes. [Yes, lung, singular; not a typo: snakes start out with two lungs in their embryological development but in most species the fully functional right lung enlarges and fills much of the body cavity while the left lung dwindles away to a vestigial bleb or is altogether absent in the adult.] If a human ingests pentastomid eggs or larvae (as via eating an inadequately cooked adult worm or contaminated snake flesh, or even just chewing on a fingernail or pencil for a second after touching a contaminated item) then pentastomids can go looking for a home inside the human host. Problems can ensue as they encyst in various places throughout the body or mature into vermiform instars and adults inside the eye or other inopportune spots within the human host. If I remember correctly then rodents are the intermediate hosts pentastomid larvae are evolutionarily targeted toward. Strange-acting rats have recently been mentioned in another Punaweb discussion, connected with potential predation on giant African snail (the big "semi-slug" snails are known vectors for rat lungworm -a nematode- and leptspirosis -a bacterium- both of which also cause disease in humans as well). I wonder if any of those sick rats have ever been checked for pentastomid larave? If pentastomid larvae are detected inside sick rats then this would be a big smoking gun (more like a smoking Howitzer) indicating some type of reptile passing the larvae to the rats... and I'd guess those reptiles would likely turn out to be snakes rather than geckos. Here is a good look at the business end of a pentastomid worm; scroll downscreen for really sexy whole-naked-body centerfold shots at http://www.stanford.edu/class/humbio103/...bsite.html ...plus a few words in technical jargon about pentastomids in rattlesnakes and humans at http://mrw.interscience.wiley.com/emrw/9...t/abstract and http://journals.cambridge.org/action/dis...age=online&aid=23867 and http://www.ajtmh.org/cgi/content/abstract/11/6/762 Bottom line: Bon appétit with snake meat or other bush meat including feral jungle pig --especially in time of duress and deprivation such as extreme poverty or war; protein malnutrition can permanently stunt the brain of a developing fetus, baby, or infant-- but please be sure to thoroughly cook the flesh lest infective parasites be coming in with the meal and causing real problems later. Better, by far, to stew some rats and snakes than to not if that is what it takes to get protein to your developing fetus, baby, or infant; thorough cooking does kill all parasites. "Thorough cooking" means frying in boiling oil or stewing at boiling for a minimum of 10 minutes; 30 minutes at boiling is preferable. Microwave ovens cannot be totally trusted to cook all areas evenly, especially close to a bone, unless the meat is damn-near nuked to a crisp. )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." Pres. John Adams, Scholar and Statesman "There's a scientific reason to be concerned and there's a scientific reason to push for action. But there's no scientific reason to despair." NASA climate analyst Gavin Schmidt )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'( )'(
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12-28-2008, 03:56 AM
Throw another snake on the barby!
Lee Eisenstein
http://members.cruzio.com/~lionel/event "Be kinder than necessary, as everyone you meet is engaged in some kind of strudel."
12-28-2008, 05:56 AM
Damon,
I did telephone the police and they called the rest of the people involved. It seems that because they {Ag department} did not catch or site the snake it’s a done deal. You can call whoever you would like, and like I said I have pic’s of the guys with their gear looking, but no pic’s of the snake. That snake is still out there and I for one believe that it has friends. As the old saying goes “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink” One would think that with a sighting of a snake in the neighborhood even though it is unconfirmed that someone would alert all of my neighbors to be on the look out. Guess that I have to go to my chicken raising neighbors and pass that information on. The Lack |
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