Hawaii Health Connector

[Guest]

I can't believe people still believe Obama and Bush are different. Did you not hear Obama lying to us about the NSA? Did you forget that he is responsible for a continuous war in almost all of the middle east? Did you not notice he has waged an all out war on a free press and has had one of the most secretive least transparent administrations? Who is the one green lighting the funds for green harvest? The very guy who reads allowed his own memoir in his own voice saying he "Smoked grass and did a little blow" Then runs thousands of "assault rifles" across the southern boarder into the hands of the cartels to fuel a drug war, while saying they should be banned. Don't even get me started on his nomination of Janet Yellen for the Federal Reserve chairman. Greed isn't a bad thing, but using violence to carry out your greed is and thats just what this man is doing along with the rest of his buddies in DC.

Wake up your all being duped and neither Obama or Bush are on your side, they are on the same side, theirs.

[Guest]

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Originally posted by peteadams

"1. The lack of reasonable free market choices."

Every health insurance plan on the exchanges or our connector is a "free market" offering. The government is not offering insurance outside of Medicaid/Quest, which is going well with thousands of signups. If you have a problem with the lack of "reasonable" plans go talk to the private health insurance providers, not the government.

LOL! This is my point! Call Kaiser and ask about alternate plans, they refer you to HHC.

"2. Government trying to act like a business which we all know is an utter train wreck."

One aspect of the ACA is simply a meeting place between private businesses and individuals, which isn't much of a business. This is the Heritage Foundation/Romneycare universal health care insurance model. (The other major aspect is basic standards for health insurance such as no refusals for previous conditions, more moderate annual and lifetime caps and others)

Yeah real efficient setup. Costs tax payers billions in administration. IF this is simply a meeting place between private business and individuals, why is the government involved? Wasn't this in place BEFORE Obamacare? If you have a pre-existing condition, this is an issue between YOU and your physician. The government has NO RIGHT to force anyone to provide health care for anyone.

"How is it that the "ACA" prevents the private sector from charging you triple?"

It doesn't. Could be that they just might charge you triple if there is any way they think they can get away with it. The one and only reason they might not is that their prices are up there on the web page right next to their competitors.

You said it does. I have yet to see any comparative prices for plans or otherwise.

"Can you think of ONE entity that screws with the economy only to make it worse?"

Sure, the private insurance companies. Do you have any idea how unsustainable the outrageously overpriced health care is in the U.S. because of the private health care insurance industry? They have run health care in the U.S. since WWII. It was the private insurance that raised your premium over 60%! The U.S. pays double for health care over what the rest of the industrial world pays. Only Medicare, "socialized" health care insurance, has any track record of driving down costs. And it would drive them down further except for the Congressional obstructionists.

I agree with you here, lobbyists have taken over the health care market but this is NOT a consequence of free market principles.
This is the result of our now perverted political system.

"If someone has been turned down because of health issues, why do I have to pay for it?"

You have to pay for it because that's the way insurance works. Just like you have to pay for other people's auto accidents, with business insurance you have to pay for other businesses' liability problems, etc. etc. Since every single living human being either has, or will have, health issues, the only rational, and cheapest, health insurance pool is everybody, that is, single payer.

So next you'll be telling me that those that choose to buy a home but don't have homeowner's insurance will be subsidized by those that DO pay? How about auto insurance? Might as well pay for life insurance for everyone as well, death is certain. All of the above you mention involves choice. If I can't afford auto insurance, I don't own a car.
True, everyone will need some level of health care at some point. My point is that personal responsibility precludes socialization. Those that think the government will solve all of our problems is just making it worse. When the government takes on the role of "provider", or in this case intermediary, it undermines self-reliance and responsibility.

None of this is to excuse the very poor management of the software development for the federal or Hawai'i insurance web sites. Oh, that's right, these were products of private software companies, so maybe the "inefficiency" is just fine because it's private industry inefficiency.

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[i]I can't speak to why the website(s) doesn't work. Neither can I explain Solyndra, both PRIVATE companies contracted by WHO? I'd be hard pressed to consider ANY company that relies heavily on government contracts, a true "private sector" business.

Speaking of "private industry inefficiency", this is an oxymoron. Inefficiency in the private sector is not tolerated in free markets. Sure they can linger for a while but eventually they cease to exist....The ONLY thing that not only perpetuates inefficiency but actually encourages it, is Government intrusion in free markets. To blame a private company for screwing up is ridiculous. When a company "produces" a product like this in the free market, they either go bankrupt or get sued. Not with the Government, they simply give them MORE money! [/i]

[Guest]

Lets not forget that a monopoly is impossible in a free market unless it provides the consumer with the best choice. Unfair monopolies are maintained by business with ties to government who protects them from competition that would wipe them out otherwise.

[Rob Tucker]

This topic has wandered off the reservation. Time to watch it fade away.

Assume the best and ask questions.

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