Hawaii efforts to address the climate emergency

[randomq]

There were plenty of articles a couple months ago about potential cancellation of a lease associated with that observatory. And also defunding of anything having to do with climate change. Sounds like we will need to raise a lot more money for our observatory.

[Punatang]

The Hawaii complaint names those five oil companies and Aloha Petroleum, Phillips 66, Woodside Energy Hawaii, BHP Hawaii, Equilon, and the American Petroleum Institute.


Does anyone know why the Par Hawaii refinery was not named in the complaint?

[ironyak]

randomq - There were plenty of articles a couple months ago about potential cancellation of a lease associated with that observatory.
Yeah it looks like it's the Hilo office that manages the site that was/is on the chopping block. Not sure if anyone actually knows what the current plans are.

randomq - sounds like we will need to raise a lot more money
Lots of programs going to be struggling at the same time unfortunately - Civil Beat recently posted about how Hawaiʻi Readies Weather Stations Against Trump Assault On Climate Research, but funding sources aren't currently sufficient to cover the work with the federal funding at risk.

Punatang - Does anyone know why the Par Hawaii refinery was not named in the complaint?
Did Par Hawaii engage in a decades-long campaign of misinformation, like the other companies, as that is central to the complaint? Haven't seen much info on Par Hawaii compared to the other companies named, but would suggest when looking into this history it helps to find information Free of partisanship, actual Beacons of journalistic integrity, instead of deceptive and conspiratorial hack jobs (just a thought...)

[Punatang]

Haven't seen much info on Par Hawaii compared to the other companies named


That sounds like a "no".

[MyManao]

but funding sources aren't currently sufficient to cover the work with the federal funding at risk.

And along comes... no taxation without representation..

It's going to be interesting when we all live a two doll instead of thirty life.. to see how long before folks balk at the notion of paying for this tragedy.

Hopefully Green's up for the task..

[ironyak]

Punatang - sounds like a "no"

Unless someone was involved with the Hawaii AG's building of the case behind the complaint, the answer would have to be no - anyone else is selling speculation that conveniently fits predetermined biases. Just more toxic emanations spewed into the information ecosystem - API would be proud to watch it still being lapped up after all these years by those like old lab dogs reaching the end of their usefulness.

[Punatang]

OK, certainly a verbose "no" but clearly a "no" nonetheless.  Mahalo for all of the bias free research.

[TomK]

Hopefully MLO can get back to their old digs pretty soon and continue their work there (which they are still doing in the meantime) and when (or if) we ever see snow at that elevation again we can take a field trip up to pay our respects to the impact of their climate research.

They are, but it's limited. The comment about seeing snow at that level again seems unnecessary; it's almost sure we will, despite longer-term climate change. People tend not to visit working observatories to pay their respects, although some did with UKIRT when it was announced it would switch to remote operations.

[Punatang]

The comment about seeing snow at that level again seems unnecessary; it's almost sure we will, despite longer-term climate change.


It does kind of seem like someone is selling speculation that conveniently fits predetermined biases.

[TomK]

One of the conclusions of climate change research is that we're likely to see more extremes. They won't happen everywhere, but they will likely occur more frequently. Then, of course, there's El Nino and La Nina. The latter we've gone through this winter, and as usual, the snowfall hasn't been that bad on MK. Next will be El Nino, which tends to bring snow. There's no way I'm brave enough to predict what will happen other than I won't be joining the throngs to pay respect on Mauna Loa.