you think the “governed” will just roll over and comply with “government” saying “please” about these illegal fireworks.
No, I really don't think that. After seeing your video, I doubt it even more. I had no idea of the magnitude on Oahu. That helped me better understand JGs initial approach. He understands the limits of his power and ability to enforce his will. I don't think your billboards will make anyone roll over either. Lots of people still smoke. I wonder how many fireworks were lit with cigarettes on New Years.
The thing is, a lot of people on FB thumbed up and expressed appreciation regarding the video Julie shared. I was kind of amazed at the reactions, and would have been dismayed- but the reality is most just don't "get it" (or don't want to).
We live at the bottom of HPP. Usually it is pretty quiet on New Year's eve. We have never had aerial fireworks. This year we did. Loud, long, and a lot.
01-06-2025, 06:31 AM (This post was last modified: 01-06-2025, 06:32 AM by TomK.)
(01-06-2025, 03:09 AM)Patricia Wrote:
(01-04-2025, 08:42 AM)TomK Wrote:
(01-04-2025, 08:21 AM)Patricia Wrote: What do human sacrifices and fireworks culturally have in common?
One is based on a belief system and the other on an entertainment/economically advantageous system. And not too surprising, the one (based on a belief system) was declared immoral, illegal, and phased out. Easy. Because the belief of human sacrifice did not/does not mesh with western mores and no money (profit) was involved.
You are starting to scare me.
Why am I "starting to scare" you?
Maybe you should take a look at the wording of your post. You are implying that human sacrifices are fine in certain situations, i.e., not the Western, er, "mores," whatever that is, and money isn't being passed around.
01-06-2025, 11:18 PM (This post was last modified: 01-06-2025, 11:21 PM by Obie.)
Add an innocent 4 year old boy to the death toll.
I can't imagine why the person who supplied these fireworks and the person who lit the match are not under arrest and facing a boat load of charges for negligent homicide.
Also an investigation to find out where they came from and how they got here.
I 1st moved to Hawaii in 1973 and it certainly has changed. Back then it was huge long strings of firecrackers. I don't remember and aerials.
New Years was the big deal and 4th of July was mostly us haole transplants .
Yes, as Obie points out, however being reported as a 3-year-old boy, but now at 4 dead.
As for arrests and charges, or lack thereof, I would assume a majority of the injured (including those airlifted to Phoenix) were probably the actual "hosts." Now, having said that, because this is Hawaii, I am quite sure HPD or any other law enforcement body issuing arrest warrants for the injured at this time would be akin to the start of a civil war.
But, to Obie's point about arrests and charges, what outrages me more than no arrests or charges at this point but where is ANY voice from Native Hawaiian/Sovereignty Group(s) leadership? Not even a "thoughts and prayers wish?"
I truly find the silence to be deafening.
This is from a local Phoenix TV Station that covers an update from Dr. Kevin Foster, MD who is the Director of the Arizona Burn Center for Valleywise Health:
(I urge you to watch this - but caution, it contains medical condition specifics - but I urge everyone to hear what is being said)
It's now being reported that of the 4 victims who have died, 3 of them were related.
The father of the 3-year-old boy who passed remains in the hospital with severe burns. (not one of the 6 transported to Phoenix) The 3-year-old boy's father's mother and aunt were also killed in this senselessness.
I have a great niece stationed at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona.
While not involved in any way whatsoever with the medical transport of the Hawaii burn victims, she informed me that all told - the TOTAL US Air Force personnel involved in the transport of the 6 burn victims - from the Military personnel on the ground at both the Hickam and Luke Bases, plus the Reservist and Active Duty personnel that specifically deal with these airlifting medical missions - is north of 180 plus people.
I should have edited my last reply. After a little research I found out that nationwide, firework deaths are rated as accidents and never prosecuted.
Lots of civil suits but these are all family members that mostly lived at that address however the person who set off that cake was a guest.
(01-04-2025, 08:21 AM)Patricia Wrote: What do human sacrifices and fireworks culturally have in common?
One is based on a belief system and the other on an entertainment/economically advantageous system. And not too surprising, the one (based on a belief system) was declared immoral, illegal, and phased out. Easy. Because the belief of human sacrifice did not/does not mesh with western mores and no money (profit) was involved.
You are starting to scare me.
Why am I "starting to scare" you?
Maybe you should take a look at the wording of your post. You are implying that human sacrifices are fine in certain situations, i.e., not the Western, er, "mores," whatever that is, and money isn't being passed around.
That's ridiculous. I made no such "implication" and you are inferring meaning that was not there. I was referring to how, historically, conquering civilizations pick and choose what is "acceptable." At the time (the late 18th, early 19th centuries) when Western Europeans and Americans established themselves in the Hawaiian islands, human sacrifice was a practice of the past FOR THEM. They had "evolved" (so the theory goes). Human sacrifice was (IS) considered NEVER correct in "civilized" cultures (currently).
There is a difference, when you are studying and referring to cultures (DIFFERENT cultures) historically and anthropologically. It's not about being "fine." It's about what a culture believed/believes and why (whether you find that acceptable/understandable or not).
As for money being passed around. Now who is being naive? Of course money is being passed around. Gunpowder and supplies are not free. Making illegal fireworks and selling them off takes money- LOTS of it. And then you have those who "ignore" the problem. Again, why? Because they, their aunty, uncle cousin, sister's husband's father, are involved?
firework deaths are rated as accidents and never prosecuted
Prosecutors would probably have to prove some level of intent to get a conviction.
Although recently a famous actor and famous band member died from illegal drug overdoses and the drug suppliers are being charged. Unlikely they wanted to kill their customer, but maybe when you’re famous you get a not-entirely-your-own-fault memoriam, rather than remembered for a senseless death.
