will japan's fall out make it to hawaii?

[David M]

I dunno, a few less clueless might be a godsend

David

Ninole Resident

[Seeb]

I guess i should qualify the above. Most people probably never had to take rad safety

[Obie]

http://theenergycollective.com/nathantem...vent-persp

The SO2 emissions on this island are more harmful and of more immediate concern and everybody ignores the obvious.

We all die someday.

I am older than most of my grandparents and they never had heard of radiation.

[Kapohocat]

Geothermal is looking a lot better eh?

Does any one remember the old book and movie "on the beach"?

[Mitzi M]

Yeah, I remember "On the Beach" pretty well. My high school English teacher recommended that book to me and it gave me nightmares. It was a "gateway book". Next thing you know I fell in with Camus and Sartre and the rest explains a lot about the way I turned out.

Yikes!

[whalesong]

For those are concerned, here is a email I received from a Radiation Specialist, Bruce Beach. He has built his own Nuclear Facility in Canada, called ArkTwo. For those who are concerned read the following and email him with any other questions you may have. Check out ArkTwo and his program SAFE "Safe America For Everyone"
His email to his followers:There is going to be lots of fallout
from Japan -
BUT -
not the kind everyone is worrying about.

Not to say -
that there isn't reason to worry.
Just different worries.

Lets deal first
with the misconceptions.
The meltdown / China Syndrome
is a BIG DEAL.

If you are there -
but not here.
No nuke clouds coming this way.
Of the mushroom type - anyway.

Just to pick a number - ten -
because I hear lots of numbers.
Nope - we aren't even talking
ten Chernobyls.

That was a different design -
and a different problem
that spread over Europe.
Moreover - these are not nuclear bombs.
The latter put out a different
'radiation signature' -
and the force of the explosion -
puts the radioactive material
high up into the stratosphere
to be carried our direction by the Jet Stream.

If you would like to see Jet Stream patterns -
here is a good link.

http://squall.sfsu.edu/crws/jetstream.html

And THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM -
if say a nuclear exchange took place
between Pakistan and India.
But these are not those kind of nukes -
and there isn't fallout being carried
up into the Jet Stream.

Then I see people yelping about it coming across the ocean -
and the affect of seawater.
Yep -
seawater has a VERY BAD effect on fallout.
But again -
it isn't happening that way.

The way that it is bad with seawater -
is if you have a nuclear bomb explosion
under the sea -
or near enough to the sea
that massive amounts of seawater
are sucked up into the nuclear cloud.

What happens then -
is that the radionuclides attach themselves
to the salt particles that were in the seawater -
and when they are rained out (fallout)
perhaps hundreds of miles downwind -
then these particles coat the surfaces
that they fall onto -
and cling tenaciously to them.

In that case it is extremely difficult
to decontaminate the surfaces.
But suck it up -
nothing like that is happening here.
I am seeing all sorts of 'authoritative' reports -
that don't know what they are talking about.

Not that I do -
because there can be surprising results
that we don't expect.
In fact -
I expect that there will be surprising results -
that I don't expect -
but I will come more to that later.

The things that are the most irritating to me
at the moment -
is the confusion being caused by 'authorities'.
Authorized government authorities -
in different agencies in Japan -
are putting out 180 degree different reports.

Who to believe?
Well - probably no one.
We just have to wait and see.
In this modern world -
we will probably never hear
a truly objective truth and evaluation.
It will all come with PR spin -
of someone who has a position to grind.

I have seen some MARVELOUS maps.
Excellent, excellent graphics.
Terrible, terrible lies -
about when and where the fallout will arrive
and how serious it will be.
Yep,
I believe it is going to be VERY BAD -
but not from this event.

Well -
I misstated that.
I think the fallout from this event
is going to be VERY BAD -
but not the kind of fallout we have been talking about.
The fallout that we need to worry about in North America
is more likely economic fallout -
rather than radioactive fallout.

For years, in this newsletter,
I have tried to explain nuclear principles -
such as that for a nuclear weapon
that is ten times more powerful than another -
the damage is not ten times greater.
In other words -
if a ten megaton bomb
does damage 20 miles out -
a hundred megaton bomb (ten times greater)
isn't going to do damage 200 miles out.

The MSM (main stream media)
carried a bunch of stories
about how the radiation in Japan
in some instances was 1000 (a thousand times)
above normal.

Well, yes,
but that was still nothing -
because a thousand times nothing -
is still nothing -
and normal was / is practically zero -
and a thousand times practically zero -
is still practically zero.

What I am saying is -
it didn't even deserve a sneeze.
People just haven't bothered to study
and understand -
that a milliroentgen is a thousandth of a roentgen -
and it takes a thousand times that amount
to get up to one roentgen -
and should take 200 roentgens
to make an adult male feel woozy -
although psychological effects often set in sooner.

I looked and looked -
but found few quantitative measurements
of the amount of radiation that was released
in Japan.
One 'authoritative pundit' announced
that no amount of radiation is good for you -
and that the result will be an increase in cancer.

Not true.
Much scientific evidence
now supports the understanding
that we need some radiation -
just as we need some arsenic.
Balance in all things.

I will try to send next -
a newsletter dealing with the numbers -
that being a bit technical
and separate from the way my newsletters usually read.

So for the moment - I won't go there.
I could go on and on about these things -
but more lies can be generated in a minute -
than can be disproven in an hour.

So there may be some panic.
I have heard of two major sources of KI
already being sold out.
And this could be one good thing
that can come out of all this -
if people will store and buy KI -
for the BIG ONE that I say is coming -
because this certainly shows you won't be able to - then.

Anyway, I have not heard of anyone
starting to pop the pills.
Oh, well.
Let's not go there -
because it's not coming here,
in that amount - from that source - soon.

Now -
let us turn to the fallout -
that we need to concern ourselves about.
It is said -
that it is indeed an evil wind -
that blows no-one any good -
and from Gaddafi's point of view -
these events may have saved his bacon.

World attention has been turned
from what he is doing to the revolutionaries -
and he is starting to clean up over there.

The Saudi Royal Family -
must certainly be thanking Allah.
Friday the 11th -
was to be the Day of Rage in Saudi Arabia,
and the Tsunami certainly put a damper on that.

If you make your money on oil -
and you have oil -
then this is certainly going to put money in your pockets.
Japan is one of the biggest energy users
in the world -
and nuclear was one of its biggest energy sources.
Now - suddenly -
it is going to have to get a lot more oil to replace that.

All to the highest bidder.
You will be bidding against them
at the gas pump.
Higher US gasoline prices -
will mean higher prices for a lot of things -
and who knows what that means for the US economy.

Not just in the US -
but around the world.
That is where some of those surplus dollars
are going to go -
and if don't happen to be flush
in surplus US dollars -
well then.

I can't tell you how this is going to affect
the stock market -
because that is something that is manipulated anyway.

Nor can I tell you how it is going to affect
the US dollar -
because it was already having
its own Tsunami - anyway.
Certainly not likely that Japan will be buying
many more US Treasuries
at this point.

But -
I can tell you this -
the US and Europe (and the rest of the world)
are in the same position as all the other barn animals
- when the barnyard rat got all excited
because the farmer bought a cat.

Didn't worry any of the other animals
in the barn -
-- it is too long a tale to tell -
but one event led to another
and all the animals ended up being butchered.
The moral of the story was how we are all inter-related.

I don't know the future -
any more than you do -
although I did receive one curious report.

http://tinyurl.com/4t8fsh7

This person predicted the 11th
very dramatically on the 8th -
and may have been going on about it for weeks.

Now,
I didn't see this until after the event -
but I believe it was truly out there before-hand
and while almost any day for anything -
there is someone who has said it -
but given all that -
you may want to look at this one and judge for yourself.

It does contain some other curious documented stuff -
about Rockefeller
gathering up all his family -
children and grandchildren -
and heading off to the same locale
as the Gates family and Buffet.

And. And. And.
But I don't know what the significance
of any of this is.
In the social sciences, unintended consequences
(sometimes called unanticipated consequences
or unforeseen consequences)
are outcomes that are not the outcomes intended
by a purposeful action.

The intended purposeful action -
in this case -
was the generation of nuclear power.
The result may turn out to be
major destruction of elements of society.

Paradoxical to say the least.
The land that has the symbol of the sun -
became the land where the nuclear power
that is present in the sun -
first shown forth over Hiroshima and Nagasaki -
to wreak immense destruction.

Now once again that immense nuclear power -
may be being released there
in a manner that will have world-wide effects.

The atomic bomb was immoral.
The use of the atomic bomb -
especially against Nagasaki was immoral.
I have pointed out innumerable times
in my newsletters
that the use of nuclear power plants -
is extremely immoral -
because we pass the cost onto future generations -
in the form of radioactive nuclear waste.

Perhaps it is the law of Karma.
What was wreaked against Japan -
now Japan wreaks against the world.

I don't know -
but "earthquakes have broken loose -
and mankind is sore vexed and fearful."

Peace and love,
Bruce
DawnSayer@webpal.org


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[PaulW]

Radiation Specialist? That guy is a kook.
"the nuclear power that is present in the sun" - this is the dead giveaway that he knows nothing about nuclear physics.
Please spare us this survivalist nonsense.

[TrevorKane]

If you sift through the nonsense and sad attempts at poetic license (power of the sun is a bit of a stretch fission / fusion and all), he does seem to have ahold of the same facts I have gathered from the news:

1. Actual radiation leakage (the kind you can measure on a geiger counter) is insignificant so far - nobody is getting sick from that.

2. Political and economic repercussions are already significant (re-posturing on support for construction of new nuke plants in US, increase in demand for oil, shifting of media attention away from other world events.)

Bottom line, same stuff, different day. There's no dangerous cloud coming to Hawaii - not one that you can do anything about, anyway.

[Radiopeg]

quote:

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Originally posted by Bullwinkle


dilution is not a solution when is come to radiation

after chernobyl (sp?) the milk from cattle in western europe was "hot" for a little while.

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reminds me, when I was taking Russian my instructor said that the "hot" milk was frozen and added bit by bit to the non "hot" milk to prevent it going to waste.

[TrevorKane]

the "hot" milk was frozen and added bit by bit to the non "hot" milk to prevent it going to waste.

Sounds like a rational (for Russians) thing to do...

People forget that life is not safe - we are all taking a risk with every breath we take, every bit of food we eat, every step we take - now this is degenerating into a Sting song, sorry.

If electricity were invented today, it would be banned outside of strictly controlled laboratory use, it is far too dangerous.

The sun is a giant nuclear furnace, spewing all kinds of dangerous particles - I don't hear Greenpeace calling for a ban on it... yet.