will japan's fall out make it to hawaii?

[Kapohocat]

I saw this AM that Japan has asked for US Technical support.

This reminded me of a call Robert's sister made to him when her laptop went down. She described all the symptoms over the phone and he said "Sounds like that sh&ts broke." [][]

http://www.radiationnetwork.com/ you have to go to the bottom and click on the static links for Alaska and Hawaii. But as long as I keep looking at this one: http://weather.hawaii.edu/vmap/hysplit/i...nner=uhmet&domain=haw&variable=so2&orient= and watching the vog blow away from the Big Island it helps me feel safer. (true or not).

[hawaiideborah]

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Originally posted by Kapohocat

I saw this AM that Japan has asked for US Technical support.

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Way over due on the request. Just hard for me to understand why experts are not already helping. the experts sure have a lot to say on the news, talking heads. Better use would be to put their heads into how to save Japan now.


I have visited Japan twice, both times for about a month. I really agree with KathyH about the saving face and appearances mattering with the Japanese people. It is such an honorable society that this must be so hard for the people to not feel they can trust their government. Honor and pride are really important. Dishonesty is really not taken well and is thought to be shaming and a very bad reflection on Japan. So to admit that the gov't is withholding info to them reflects on Japan's image. Hard cultural stuff to go along with the devastation. Those poor people. Having been on that coast and in Sendai up to Misawa I find it hard to wrap my mind around the images of those beaches and towns now.


I posted before and after photos on another thread here on punaweb, but worth posting here again. REALLY worth watching:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/...l?ref=asia

[Kapohocat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSUeDVaEuWY&feature=player_embedded

[PaulW]

Some people really need to look at a map. Try to guess: how far away are we from Japan, before you google it.
Even if there was a huge nuclear explosion in Japan (there wasn't, and there won't be) and the wind blew this way, the effects would be minimal to unnoticeable.

ETA: To put it another way, try to guess a major mainland city that is the same distance from Hilo as Tokyo. Then ask yourself if you'd be checking the wind forecasts if something happened there.

Radiation fears put into perspective:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12785274

[missydog1]

I am not sweating it for Hawai'i. I'm worried about Japan.

Even for those who don't care about Japan, what happens there will affect our economy in big ways. There is a lot of distance in miles, but social and economic distance not so much. (Having flown to Japan, I do know where it is, Paul. [] )

Deborah, I hear you about how it feels to have been there and now see this. I looked at those before and after shots with the slider, and they are amazing ... and grim. I never went north to Sendai. I went south to Tokyo, Hakone, Kyoto, Nara, Okayama ... but the three weeks of the month that I spent in Mito gave me a good feel for that area north of Japan.

My husband was working with a crew being bussed north about a 100 miles, so in the vicinity of this reactor complex in Fukushima. He was there for 90 days (work visa allotted time). It chokes me up to see what happened there, the poor people, and it's snowing on them now.

I'm less worried about the radiation spread in the air than the fallout in the Pacific ocean. If someone wants to talk me out of that concern, feel free! I know it's a huge ocean, but there is a food chain, and it travels to some extent.

[Obie]

"I'm less worried about the radiation spread in the air than the fallout in the Pacific ocean. If someone wants to talk me out of that concern, feel free! I know it's a huge ocean, but there is a food chain, and it travels to some extent."

How about this.The leakage from the reactors will be minuscule in comparison to the nuclear testing done in the 40's and 50's.If these tests didn't kill people all across the Pacific then I very much doubt that the leakage from the reactors will harm anyone outside of Japan.

The Bikini Atoll was the location of 23 atmospheric atomic bomb tests from 1946 through 1958.

The Bravo test, in February 1954, was at 15 megatons the most powerful bomb ever detonated by the United States--far bigger than expected. An H-bomb, it vaporized three islands and threw radioactive debris over nearly 50,000 square miles.

[LeeE]

Anyone out there evaluate this map from a webcache of East County Magazine site?

No can here.

"GAMMA RADIATION LEVELS ON WEST COAST 2 T0 10 TIMES LEVELS ON EAST COAST"

"By Miriam Raftery

March 16, 2011 (San Diego) 12:30 a.m. -- A radiation map on the U.S. Environmental Protection Service shows radiation levels at measuring stations across the United States. There is a disturbing pattern showing gamma radiation levels along the West Coast, Alaska and Hawaii at two to ten times levels on the East Coast, with midwest states in mid-ranges:..."

<http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:AGNT4EomPq4J:eastcountymagazine.org/node/5706+GAMMA+RADIATION+LEVELS+ON+WEST+COAST+TRIPLE+THOSE+ON+EAST+COAST&cd=1&hl=de&ct=clnk&gl=de&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.de>



Aloha,
Lee
http://members.cruzio.com/~lionel/event

[Obie]

The highest level I found on that map was in Maine.

March 18, 2011

As of 4:00pm (EDT) EPA's RadNet radiation air monitors across the U.S. show typical fluctuations in background radiation levels. The levels detected are far below levels of concern.

As of 12:00pm (EDT) EPA's RadNet radiation air monitors across the U.S. show typical fluctuations in background radiation levels. The levels detected are far below levels of concern.

[TrevorKane]

I think this table is very "telling" of the current danger:

http://www.mext.go.jp/component/a_menu/o...7_1716.pdf

Radiation levels IN JAPAN are detectably higher, but not by much. Pray that the spent Plutonium rods (by reactor 3) stay contained. So far, according to the readings, they have done a good job of keeping actual radiation leakage to a minimum.

[LeeE]

Poster on whatreallyhappened.com

"Mar 18 19:15
EAST COUNTY MAGAZINE RETRACTS EARLIER GAMMA RAY ARTICLE

An earlier story included a map of monitoring stations and incorrected stated that the numbers indicated higher gamma radiation on the West Coast, due to a misinterpretation of data."

Aloha,
Lee
http://members.cruzio.com/~lionel/event