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"Occasionally, mutagenesis gives rise to a previously unknown feature that may be beneficial and can be exploited."
"But other more subtle changes may not be obvious, yet may nonetheless have important impacts on the health or performance of the plant. Such changes can only be identified by expensive and painstaking testing."
We've got climate change, an ever increasing population and diwndling resources. Isn't it worth the time and cost?
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We've got climate change, an ever increasing population and diwndling resources. Isn't it worth the time and cost?
We pay farmers not to grow food, throw away half of it, and leave the prices to be set by a "free market" that has been completely gamed by the big corporations.
There's plenty of room for improvement without GMO.
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Interesting read - purple tomatoes go on sale in the UK - developed in Canada boutique gm or Nobel prize contender?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25885756
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You can quote one of the numerous "GMO Myth's" lists out there, which are put together by people with an agenda, or you can read articles by scientists:
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10....013.823595
that summarize over 1700 articles from the last 10 years alone and come to the conclusion that GMO's appear to be safe based on current research and evidence. To be honest, this debate is reminding me of the anti-immunization debates, that appear credible until you do some serious research on the topic (by serious I mean not just googling for information that backs up one's own thesis, but actually taking both sides seriously and looking into their claims by looking at the primary research by scientists from credible institutions). The list of articles reviewed is available as an excel spreadsheet so you can check the references for yourself. Any University with a decent biochemistry department will have the journals in a library on campus.
More information on Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/GMOFacts/comment...rary_that/
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Yes, we do pay farmers not to farm. Remember welfare cheese and powdered milk? instead of storing the crops it was much easier and cheaper to pay not to grow to secure a fair price for the farmers crops. It's helped big ag and small farmers. Throwing away half, probably true, since alot of it would rot before being sold. If we rely on the free market, big ag could just glut the market and the small guy would disappear. Maybe it's time to rethink how to distribute the excess without short changing the small farmer.
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This thread isn't about GMO.
It is about ethics, or more correctly, the lack of ethics.
Senator Ruderman used his professional business stationary with the explicit message that its message was coming from a state senator with the state government, knowing full well this violated conflict of interest laws.
Senator Ruderman also has very deep ties to several organic farming corporations on the mainland that stand to benefit greatly by manipulating the market to increase organic produce exports to Hawaii island, yes, imports to Hawaii island from mainland corporate organic farms. This is made obvious by his biased position being supported by constantly repeating the propaganda coming from these corporate organic farming organizations masquerading as non-profits and "humanitarian".
If Senator Ruderman cannot understand the meaning of ethics, then it isn't expected to see ethical behavior from him. The other problem with Senator Ruderman is that he doesn't seem to have a single original idea, instead being a mouthpiece for the small vocal fringe element that claims to represent Puna. Nobody is denying his right to speech. The problem is when free speech starts sounding like old, out of touch, corrupt drivel.
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"sounding like old, out of touch, corrupt drivel" very good definition of any political speech - grin
It was not too long ago that another esteemed senator used Punaweb as his bully pulpit to rail against axis deer.....
part 2 decent website
http://russellruderman.com
better job than the health care guys with a lot less spent....grin
'tell a lot about an organization by the organization of its website...imho
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Originally posted by pahoated
This thread isn't about GMO.
It is about ethics, or more correctly, the lack of ethics.
Senator Ruderman used his professional business stationary with the explicit message that its message was coming from a state senator with the state government, knowing full well this violated conflict of interest laws.
Senator Ruderman also has very deep ties to several organic farming corporations on the mainland that stand to benefit greatly by manipulating the market to increase organic produce exports to Hawaii island, yes, imports to Hawaii island from mainland corporate organic farms. This is made obvious by his biased position being supported by constantly repeating the propaganda coming from these corporate organic farming organizations masquerading as non-profits and "humanitarian".
If Senator Ruderman cannot understand the meaning of ethics, then it isn't expected to see ethical behavior from him. The other problem with Senator Ruderman is that he doesn't seem to have a single original idea, instead being a mouthpiece for the small vocal fringe element that claims to represent Puna. Nobody is denying his right to speech. The problem is when free speech starts sounding like old, out of touch, corrupt drivel.
"This island Hawaii on this island Earth"
How does the business of organic farming benefit from this? The fewer the organic farmers, the more valuable their crop. How is promoting more organic farming going to put more money into the current organic farmers pocket? I'm sorry but that's a really lousy business plan. If the Senator was promoting more GMO and more pesticide use in current farming that would help bolster the value of his organic interests. The average understanding of ethics in this nation is about as disjointed as the average grounded skydiver who's chutes failed to deploy.
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