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Interesting article, Kimo, thank you. Among others, one short paragraph stood out for me:
"In a sense it was kind of inevitable that there would be opposition, but I didn't expect them to do something which caused safety problems," Coleman says. "In a real way that was crossing the line."
I don't need to add much commentary other than this happened and it's when the previously good relationship between the protesters and current observatory staff changed for the worse.
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Yes Tom, That one point struck a nerve with me too. Why the opponents don't hear his words is beyond reason. And How the opponents got it wrong on so many points that Coleman clearly points out. He has put a lot of time and thought into this and its admirable how he's kept a level head through it all. What a great example he is setting.
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I found this quote from the Tech Insider story interesting:
The story doesn't stop there. In 1964, native Hawaiian Alika Herring lugged the first telescope up to the 14,000-foot-tall summit of Mauna Kea. He built the contraption himself and, with the local university's backing, he set out to assess the mountain's potential by studying the moon.
Astronomy on Mauna Kea began with the Hawaiian people. Mauna Kea as location to study the stars was discovered by the Hawaiian people. How much effort has to be expended by the young protesters to convince others that Mauna Kea and astronomy is not a part of their heritage?
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quote:
Originally posted by kimo wires
Yes Tom, That one point struck a nerve with me too. Why the opponents don't hear his words is beyond reason. And How the opponents got it wrong on so many points that Coleman clearly points out. He has put a lot of time and thought into this and its admirable how he's kept a level head through it all. What a great example he is setting.
I'll follow this with another quote:
"There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know."
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Wow.
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DLNR issues guidelines for news media"
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/loc...news-media
“I respect the DLNR’s desire to keep everyone safe on Mauna Kea, but I would strongly urge the state to give our reporters and photographers the same access as any other members of the public, including the protesters,” said David Bock, Tribune-Herald editor and publisher. “The newspaper opposes any effort to confine its news gathering to a media staging area.”
I'm speechless.
Go David go !!!
Ignore DLNR like everyone else does ...
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Part two to David,
Don't you try it !
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Really feel sick to my stomach right now. Everyone knows how badly the DLNR and state perform and now this - a tactic more akin to North Korea rather than a free country. Just don't know what else to say.
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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
Its my understanding this telescope will be viewable from small segment of the island...
I don't think the people of Hamakua see it that way
I believe we have at least one member of Punaweb (AKpilot?) who lives on the Hamakua coast. Perhaps she could let us know, as a representative of "the people of Hamakua" how she imagines the TMT will affect her view of Mauna Kea?
Anyone else live up Hamakua way? What do you think?
Hello,
Busy flying as of late. Yes I live in Hamakua and can see several telescopes from our home. I see the Kecks and the NASA Infrared VERY clearly. The TMT will be very prominent form our home. I, for one, can't wait to see it. I originally wanted to be an Astronaut and am a amateur Astronomer. I think it's a wonderful way for Hawaii to contribute to the betterment of all Mankind. I live in neighborhood of many longtime residents; multi-generational dwellers of this Island, be they Native Hawaiian, Japanese, or Portuguese. Most of them support the TMT, my closest neighbor does not. So much so she has been up to the summit to protest many times.
Make of my statement what you will, but I agree that the numbers the "protectors" claim have not panned out. One small survey, does not a representative sample make.
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The newspaper opposes any effort to confine its news gathering to a media staging area.
Reporters can simply dress up as Protectors and thereby gain unfettered access, with the coverage will obviously be "better" because the reporters had to "go undercover". Win-win.
