TMT construction begins Monday 15 July

[PaulW]

Most websites (not this one, thanks Rob) earn money off ads so they certainly do want the clicks.
A good middle ground is to copy the first paragraph and then post the link. Just netiquette, we live and learn.

[reni]

Tom posts "However, the state is now complicit in not allowing people to go to work despite everything they've said"

Agree 100%

here's more on the U of H Board of Regents meeting yesterday......

(Associated Press)

"The University of Hawaii’s board is forming a task force to study the school’s management of Mauna Kea’s summit, which is currently at the center of long-running protests against the construction of a new telescope.

Board of Regents member Alapaki Nahale-a told fellow members Friday the board needed to get involved in the conversation on Mauna Kea. He says most of the 12 regents currently on the board have never voted on Mauna Kea issues.

The task force will have six members. Its meetings won’t be public, and a record of its discussions won’t be kept. The group’s members will be asked to report to the full board what they’ve found.

Regent Simeon Acoba Jr. opposed the proposal, saying discussions on Mauna Kea should be held in public."
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I realize the enormous conflict of interest the State of Hawaii University finds itself but I was hoping for a little more sunshine than this.

as The task force will consist of only 6 members, records of the discussions will not be kept, and meetings will not be public.

[kalakoa]

Not so much argument as a feeble (and ultimately pointless) attempt to point out the stupidity.

A good example might be: worrying about copyright claims while the protestors are busily shutting down our economy.

The protestors' claims get more and more preposterous -- I can only hope that's a long-term pro-TMT strategy. My favorite so far is "they need to post a bond in case they stop construction" but now I'm thinking the new "fair market value for that lease is more than $1M/year" sounds closer to the truth.

At this point I'm more interested in "an outcome", regardless of what it is, just so long as the issues are settled. I really need to know if we're not doing the whole "rule of law" thing so I can smuggle in a few unregistered firearms, stockpile some ammunition, install more security cameras, add more barbed wire to the fence, plant crops that have a high barter value, etc.

[kalakoa]

meetings won't be public, and a record of its discussions won't be kept

If they refuse accountability, can we also rescind their public funding, zoning carve-outs, etc?

[Frank]

they are we bra

[dan d]

Thanks Paul.
It would not let me copy and paste.

I did 2 hours with stem and tmt signs on shower
Join me monday and every week day lunch time wallgreens and shower at 5 pm
Aloha


HPP

[kander]

I cant help but wonder if one of the people whos livelihood is effected by this might mentally snap. Almost everyone is one paycheck away from pushing their belongings around in a shopping cart these days. When they get pushed that far, they might just go take the last 100 bux out of their bank account, procure a big rental truck to drive up the mountain to take out their frustrations.

Mental health of a lot of people seems to be .05 seconds from crazy anymore.

[dan d]

They are still betting paid. Most of them work hilo and waimea.
Just talked to a guy fm irtf ( sic) and he does t know a yone ready to go telepostal yet
Aloha


HPP

[TomK]

Most Maunakea Observatory staff are still being paid, not all, and that's because they have been reassigned to other tasks. This is a short-term solution. Contractors and vendors who rely on work from the observatories are not being paid because they are not being allowed to work. They outnumber observatory staff.

[dan d]

From BIVN
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HOPE THATS LEGAL TOm?




the opposition effort, “but the elements – as you can see – is still, very high winds.”



TMT Spokesperson Scott Ishikawa and TMT Vice President for External Relations, Gordon Squires, appeared in a video uploaded to TMT’s YouTube channel on August 3.

Squires said the conversation “has evolved into a conversation that’s much bigger than just TMT and Mauna Kea. This is becoming a conversation about some deeper issues in Hawai#699;i that have been with us for a long time. Issues of sovereignty, issues of self-determination, of injustices on
Native Hawaiians that have existed for a long time.”

“So what I think is happening is really a great thing,” Squires said. “TMT is becoming a catalyst for some of these bigger questions.”

Squires said it is a difficult time. “We’re hurting, and we certainly hear that the opponents are hurting, everybody is hurting at some level or another. But maybe there’s a way forward where some some real good will come out of this difficult situation.”


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