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Jimbo,
"Tom. OMKM was involved the whole time. They are reporting directly to police. If the observatories have their own list or way contact authorities, then that speaks to the lack of communication of people with State agencies in this response."
I was hoping to get details directly from those involved which is why I asked if you would get in contact since I have no way of knowing who they are. I spoke to Stephanie Nagata yesterday and mentioned the incident you reported but she knew nothing about it. The observatories have been informing OMKM of their intended trips which then gets passed onto law enforcement and then to the protesters.
Although I'm in no way defending the actions of the protesters, it seems this didn't happen with the researchers you mentioned. Remember, you have to go through the protesters first before you even get to the law enforcement checkpoint. It's a ridiculous situation, obviously, but did want to pass on the details to both OMKM and law enforcement which I can't do without knowing them.
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Statutes of limitation exist for precisely these situations. I see we have a few here in Hawaii ranging from 2-20 years. Access road was put in decades ago, last contract (for $600 million) was 24 years ago, statehood was 60 years ago, coup was 125 years ago. Seems like that spilled milk has long since dried up, legally.
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I just find this so hypocritical it's beyond belief. This is what Andre Perez said about the police enforcing traffic laws:
“If they’re going to do some kind of selective enforcement, it is a problem,”
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/08/2...test-site/
The protesters have been doing their own illegal selective enforcement of who can and cannot go on the Mauna Kea Access Road. First, they block it completely, then it's OK for technicians to go up but not astronomers, then astronomers are allowed up but then they aren't, now they are again, ecology scientists aren't allowed at all while protesters demand their IDs and during this time they continuously block TMT construction crews from using the road.
Now I have a headache.
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“If they’re going to do some kind of selective enforcement, it is a problem,”
The pot complains about the kettle. Tell me more.
"I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." - Keanu Reeves
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"The pot complains about the kettle. Tell me more."
OK, happy to. From the same article, Kanuha is quoted as saying:
“I get it that there are rules and laws that have to be followed for vehicles, and I expect those things to be followed, but what we do see here is that it seems they are specifically targeting people here,”
It seems to me that the protesters have been specifically targeting people who are lawfully allowed to work on the mountain and Kanuha's hard-core group is specifically targeting astronomers.
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quote:
Originally posted by TomK
Jimbo,
"Tom. OMKM was involved the whole time. They are reporting directly to police. If the observatories have their own list or way contact authorities, then that speaks to the lack of communication of people with State agencies in this response."
I was hoping to get details directly from those involved which is why I asked if you would get in contact since I have no way of knowing who they are. I spoke to Stephanie Nagata yesterday and mentioned the incident you reported but she knew nothing about it. The observatories have been informing OMKM of their intended trips which then gets passed onto law enforcement and then to the protesters.
Although I'm in no way defending the actions of the protesters, it seems this didn't happen with the researchers you mentioned. Remember, you have to go through the protesters first before you even get to the law enforcement checkpoint. It's a ridiculous situation, obviously, but did want to pass on the details to both OMKM and law enforcement which I can't do without knowing them.
Jimbo,
I sent your reply to Stephanie (OMKM director) and it just generated more confusion, she has no idea what you are talking about. Why not just get in touch and tell me who to contact? Otherwise, the protester's behavior towards the student and technician will go nowhere and those of us fighting for legal and regular access will be pissed off with someone mentioning illegal behavior but won't back it up.
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Speaking of selective enforcement.
From bivn today. Council chair speaks to the police chieff
What does that mean?” asked David, pointing to Governor Ige’s statement, “… so long as HCPD remains committed to maintaining control of the pertinent roadways.”
“I would take it to mean that we need to maintain what we currently are doing,” answered Chief Ferreira, “and committed to maintaining law and order up on the mountain, when necessary. And that we cannot just say – okay, we’re gonna put up our hands and we will turn a blind eye.”
“I’d like to see us spend three and a half million dollars towards projects in in our county,” Kaneali#699;i-Kleinfelder said. “Whether it’s streets, parks, pools, you know you name it. More police officers. That’s where I’d like to see these funds going, not towards a very divisive project.”
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Love the well " we arent gonna just turn a blind eye ya know
Lol
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It's not going towards a divisive project, just divisive people.
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"If they're going to do some kind of selective enforcement, it is a problem"
Perhaps the protestors would prefer that County and State enforce all the laws?
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https://www.khon2.com/news/local-news/go...on-access/
Gov. David Ige told Always Investigating ... "As long as we are working to ensure legal access for all those people, we will be supporting the county in enforcement costs."
"It could be interpreted as Hawaii County won't get reimbursed unless full access to Mauna Kea can be provided by the County of Hawaii," said state Sen. Kai Kahele, (D) Hilo, "and ultimately leaving that bill, which is now over $3 million, to be paid for by the taxpayers of the County of Hawaii.. They were there to be in a supportive role. This is a state land. This is project that should be administered by the state."
"They should be there to make sure that the people that are there, that are exercising their rights and their freedom of speech and expression, that they should be protected as well," Kahele said.
Here's a thought: what if County simply decides "we can't afford this", and HPD walks away? TMT is seeking to build on State land with State-issued permits, why is County even involved?
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