Don't worry, there's a vaccine!

[My 2 cents]

By Terracore, from another thread:

"Don't worry, there's a vaccine, everything will be back to normal soon, just be patient?"

The two vaccines available now are mRNA vaccines that don't contain any portion of the virus and are only tested to prevent the symptoms of the disease. Unlike with traditional vaccines, vaccinated individuals can still spread the disease, similar to how HIV positive people can spread the disease while not being sick themselves.

So all the masks, social distancing, etc, will have to continue until a "traditional" vaccine is rolled out. The soonest contender looks to be early next year.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/blo...-and-masks

"In the messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine trials, COVID-19 vaccines are primarily being tested to determine whether they prevent a person from getting sick, from having a prolonged illness, or hospitalization. Importantly, these clinical trials are not focused on whether a vaccine prevents someone from getting the virus at all. In other words, a COVID-19 vaccine may benefit the individual who gets vaccinated, but the virus may still invade the body and it’s possible – if not likely – that a vaccinated person can still spread the virus to others. This is a critical distinction that has received little attention."

"COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19.

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the muscle cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them." ( https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nco.../mrna.html )

So take your vaccine... don't worry, they aren't injecting you with a virus, they are only injecting you with "instructions". You should feel safer already!

Also noteworthy, the available vaccines can only be given to people 16 and older.

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I wanted to respond to this without hijacking the other thread.


I had wondered why we have been told that we have to continue wearing masks even after getting the vaccine. I thought getting back to “normal” was the whole point. I guess this explains it.


So, if the vaccine only keeps YOU from getting sick, but doesn’t keep you from being infected or infectious, then the virus will still have to make it’s way through the community in order to reach herd immunity. You will still need to be infected by the virus (or a traditional vaccine) to get your immunity. It’s hard to imagine this happening by Spring or Summer (as claimed) under this scenario.


Wouldn’t it happen faster if the vaxers took their masks off?

[terracore]

Maybe the masks are to obfuscate the facial paralysis?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/15/fda-staf...ients.html

More seriously, the same doctor that told me the mRNA vaccines aren't known to stop the disease from spreading said that based on projections they would need 70% coverage of the population before the social distancing and masks could be done away with, and that was projected to be around September 2021.

The Novavax vaccine may get approval in the first quarter of 2021. It is a "traditional" vaccine that should stop disease spread. It is also cheaper to produce and transport as it doesn't need to be kept at nearly -100 F like some of the others.

The Novavax vaccine isn't as weird as the mRNA vaccine but it does use insects and a chemical from a tree in it's vaccine. I think its based on success they have with a new type of flu vaccine that is in last stage testing that apparently actually works, unlike the flu shots most of us get.

[randomq]

In the news this morning they said the Moderna vaccine was expected to stop the spread.

Found this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews...cna1251237

[Durian Fiend]

So is the Pfizer vaccine. Expected to stop the spread that is.
It’s not a fact that has been determined yet though.
Moderna is also messenger RNA vaccine. Goodbye pandemic!

[terracore]

"The U.K. has identified a new Covid-19 strain that spreads more quickly. Here’s what they know"

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/19/the-uk-h...-know.html

While the article points out there is no reason to believe the vaccines won't work against the new strain, the key change in the mutation is in the protein spike the vaccines specifically target.

"England’s top medical officer on Saturday announced that the U.K. has identified a new variant of the coronavirus that “can spread more quickly” than prior strains of the virus, leading Prime Minister Boris Johnson to impose fresh restrictions on parts of the nation to control its spread."

[My 2 cents]

Wasn't this new strain detected in Denmark a few months ago, back when it was suggested that it could still be contained but no measures were taken to do so?

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And the side effects are starting to show up:

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/tenne...19-vaccine

Vagal Response. Doesn't sound like such a bad thing, now does it?

Sometimes the little boy in me comes out.

[terracore]

They've known about this new strain since September. They originally weren't worried about it because there are several mutated strains out there and there was no cause for alarm. They just discovered it was 70% more infective in the last few days so suddenly it's an emergency. They also discovered it has 17 mutations which was a lot more than they were expecting.

Fainting is not uncommon from receiving any type of vaccine. Going to the ICU is quite a bit different: https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2020/12/...9-vaccine/

[TomK]

There have been over 300,000 deaths in the US alone due to COVID-19. How many have been caused by the vaccine?

The answer is none. That includes all the people involved in vaccine trials. One person going to the ICU due to an allergic reaction to the vaccine does not outweigh the hundreds of thousands that have gone to an ICU to die from COVID-19. As soon as it's available, I'll take the vaccine. My chance of dying from the vaccine is virtually zero. My chances of dying from COVID-19 or passing the virus onto other unvaccinated people and having them die is is much greater. It's a very simple choice.

[randomq]

Agreed, I'm getting it as soon as I can. Because it's Hilo, I might ask ahead of time about their readiness for allergic reactions and whether they have the epinepherine ready to go...

[Hotinhawaii2]

This is actually hotinhawaii . I was never able to regain access to my original account. I’ve tried for months. So here I am.
A couple clarifications on what you posted. While we do not YET know whether or not a person who receives the mRNA vaccines will still be able to transmit the virus, scientists expect that they will not be able to transmit it. There hasn’t been enough time for studies to measure this. Your example of HIV positive people is misleading. People with HIV who are taking retroviral drugs and whose levels of virus are undetectable (which is almost everyone on the latest drugs) have been shown to be incapable of transmitting the virus. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...90286.html
There may be people who have HIV and show no symptoms and are not taking retroviral drugs who can still transmit the virus however.

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A couple clarifications on what you posted. While we do not YET know whether or not a person who receives the mRNA vaccines will still be able to transmit the virus, scientists expect that they will not be able to transmit it. There hasn’t been enough time for studies to measure this. Your example of HIV positive people is misleading. People with HIV who are taking retroviral drugs and whose levels of virus are undetectable (which is almost everyone on the latest drugs) have been shown to be incapable of transmitting the virus. There may be people who have HIV and show no symptoms and are not taking retroviral drugs who can still transmit the virus, but that would a very small and shrinking population.