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" . . . the lowest vaccination rate . . . So why aren’t we getting more vaccinated?" - Hotinhawaii2
"Blame the State" - kalakoa
And this is a surprise because . . . ? Some of us had a vain hope that the state and local governments would, just this once since it's literally a matter of life and death, get something done efficiently and fairly. But no. They've already tried blaming the Feds, but that didn't work, so now the Lt. Governor is claiming that we just aren't reporting all the vaccinations that have been given. If that's true, which I don't quite believe, then it's just another form of incompetence. Unfortunately, our mayor, who under normal circumstances might be expected to put the state officials' feet to the fire, is sidelined by his own serious medical situation. I'm not blaming Mitch Roth for this, but it would be nice if somebody in the county apparatus would loudly question the acquisition and allocation process.
While I share kalakoa's concern about the evolving virus, most experts say the current vaccines will provide some protection regardless. So let's get on with it!
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Novavax less effective against SA variant (B.1351, enhanced transmission).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/20...th-africa/
SA variant already on the mainland US.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/20...-carolina/
Draw your own conclusions.
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nice if somebody in the county apparatus would loudly question the acquisition and allocation
As with so many things, the "process" requires going through Oahu, so this is just another example of the way that traditional government organization fails when the state isn't contiguous.
There's no technical or logistical reason we can't receive our share of the vaccine directly. It arrives on a plane and someone picks it up from the airport. The vaccine doesn't care where the plane is from.
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There's no technical or logistical reason we can't receive... the vaccine directly.
The big FedEx plane lands in Hilo Monday through Friday. All it would take is a label with an address that has a 96720 zip code.
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(01-28-2021, 10:39 PM)kalakoa Wrote: Novavax less effective against SA variant (B.1351, enhanced transmission).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/20...th-africa/
SA variant already on the mainland US.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/20...-carolina/
Draw your own conclusions.
I don't remember where I read it but the same was said of the other vaccines. "Less effective" against the SA variant.
With the Spanish flu the second wave was the most deadly. Of course, they were not able to rush a vaccine out in the first year like with COVID, but it wouldn't have mattered because the vaccine wouldn't have been effective against the mutation.
Historically, pandemics take at least 3 years to run their course. We're probably still on the leading edge of this.
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"Novavax less effective against SA variant . . . "
True, but it did have 49% efficacy for the SA bug vs. 89% for the new UK variant and the older types. Also, Novavax is still in trials and has not been approved for use anywhere yet. The FDA approved Pfizer and Moderna vaccines take a different approach, using more modern scientific principles.
Meanwhile, Hawaii falls behind as usual.
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Meanwhile, Hawaii falls behind as usual.
No, I'm still getting today's news about vaccination rates in America.
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01-29-2021, 01:27 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-29-2021, 02:09 AM by terracore.)
"The FDA approved Pfizer and Moderna vaccines take a different approach, using more modern scientific principles."
Neither jab is approved by the FDA. They have a temporary emergency use authorization. This is one of the reasons why it can't be given to children, pregnant women, or women who are nursing.
"using more modern scientific principles"
The principle they used is that they skipped the animal trials. They had to, because every mRNA jab tried before failed in the animal trial phase. Maybe they nailed it this time.
ETA: I try to avoid using the word "vaccine" to describe an mRNA jab, because it's not a vaccine in itself. It's an experimental gene therapy invented to cause the body to create a vaccine. I've posted the CDC description here before. I've taken approximately 30 vaccines this century, including at least one fairly uncommon one, but one thing they all had in common was they were vaccines. Clearly, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. My last vaccine was less than 6 months ago.
I'm not saying don't get the jab. It might be the best thing for you. Don't get health care advice from internet forums, ask your doctor.
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01-29-2021, 02:43 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-29-2021, 05:02 AM by ChunksterK.)
Actually, I did ask my doctor during a telehealth session, and he said to get either the Pfizer or Moderna shots as soon as one becomes available for my priority group. That was sort of a sick joke because my provider (and the doctor's employer) is Kaiser, an entity which has admitted on its website, without giving any but the vaguest of reasons, that its vaccination (they call it that) efforts on the Big Island are lagging behind those in the rest of the state. Anyone see a pattern here?
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mRNA vaccines did not skip animal trials and they are in fact vaccines.
