Vaccinated People Spread The Delta Variant, CDC Says

[TomK]

My question was "why can't we have Ivermectin".

The condensed cumulative answer appears to be "because it's a horse de-wormer".

Is that correct?

Perhaps you should reread HOTPE's most recent post. As for the "cumulative answer", why not answer your own question by adding up all the posts in this thread that say "because it's a horse de-wormer"? I'm also unsure why you need to condense it.

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A 16 minute video that's really worthwhile IMO, regarding vaccines and turning the pandemic into an endemic virus.  This doctor is so entertaining and informative the time just flies by.  At least, it did for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDRjIuC2eZE

Thanks for that, Durian Fiend. That was a very enjoyable and informative video.

[randomq]

More reason to get vaccinated:

https://www.researchhub.com/paper/126600...m-covid-19

People who had recovered from COVID-19, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits versus controls when controlling for age, gender, education level, income, racial-ethnic group, pre-existing medical disorders, tiredness, depression and anxiety. The deficits were of substantial effect size for people who had been hospitalised ( N = 192), but also for non-hospitalised cases who had biological confirmation of COVID-19 infection ( N = 326).

[MyManao]

People who had recovered from COVID-19, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits..

 
The problem randomq, is those that refuse to get vaccinated already have those deficits, before they get covid. I mean, come on, why do you think they didn't get vaxx'd?

[kalakoa]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/20...livestock/

TL;DR: Ivermectin is NOT approved by the FDA for treating COVID, but some people prefer this "lack of guidance" to the FDA "emergency use approval" of the COVID vaccines.

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

Advice from the ex-president about the COVID vaccine:

“And you know what? I believe totally in your freedoms. I do. You've got to do what you have to do," Trump said. "But, I recommend: take the vaccines. I did it. It's good. Take the vaccines."

Some boos rang out from the rally crowd, who were largely maskless.
"No, that's okay. That's all right. You got your freedoms," Trump said, echoing rhetoric from opponents of mask and vaccine mandates. "But I happen to take the vaccine. If it doesn't work, you'll be the first to know. Okay? I'll call up Alabama, I'll say, hey, you know what? But [the vaccine] is working. But you do have your freedoms you have to keep. You have to maintain that."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-...d-n1277404

[sistersue]

People who had recovered from COVID-19, including those no longer reporting symptoms, exhibited significant cognitive deficits..

 
The problem randomq, is those that refuse to get vaccinated already have those deficits, before they get covid. I mean, come on, why do you think they didn't get vaxx'd?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!   I've been reading this ivermectin stuff in disbelief.  It would make a good comedy storyline if it weren't real life people being serious.  I don't think Americans were this crazy before "social media" where anyone can say anything and some people actually believe it. 

[My 2 cents]

"Perhaps you should reread HOTPE's most recent post. As for the "cumulative answer", why not answer your own question by adding up all the posts in this thread that say "because it's a horse de-wormer"? I'm also unsure why you need to condense it."

Thank you for your input Tom

I guess I’m a bit put off by the continuous references to veterinary medications after I stated very clearly that it’s not about that.  I did not and will not suggest that anyone should use the veterinary version of Ivermectin, and I’m quite sure that none of the doctors at the FLCCC would do that either.

If anyone would like to discuss rationally the safety of HUMAN USE Ivermectin (proven by 3.7 billion doses over 40 years) or it’s effectiveness against covid 19 (63 trials, 31 randomized controlled trials) or how it has squashed covid in the countries that have given it to their people I’m all in.  But if all you want to talk about is the people that use the veterinary version because they can’t get the human version  I’m out.

For the record, I’m not against vaccines.  This one appears to be working in the way it’s supposed to.  But I’m not in favor of forcing it on anyone.  And I don’t think fighting over it is healthy. 

30% of our Hawaii population remains unvaxxed, and I don’t see that number changing much.  The main concern right now is the hospitals being overrun.  Perhaps if the 30% who are digging their heels in had an alternative that would lower their case rate, maybe some beds would free up.  That would be a good thing, right?

[kalakoa]

discuss rationally the safety of HUMAN USE Ivermectin

Ivermectin is still not approved -- or even reviewed -- by the FDA for treatment of COVID.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-u...t-covid-19

It is no more "rational" to promote ivermectin than it is to reject a vaccine that has actually been approved ("for emergency use", as everyone is so quick to point out).

[HereOnThePrimalEdge]

because they can’t get the human version  I’m out.

My 2 cents:
A few questions -

1) Does Ivermectin prevent COVID or treat it?
2) How does it's claimed success rate compare with the COVID vaccine? I see it's often used in third world countries which makes me wonder whether it's a second best or only option treatment in poor areas of the world, and perhaps the CDC hasn't approved it because the COVID vaccine is much more effective? 

If you see your doctor for an illness wouldn't you want the best, most effective treatment?  Or would you prefer s/he prescribes something you read about in two minutes on your Facebook page, rather than take advantage of his/her 8 years of school, residence training, and time spent in practice where s/he sees numerous patients with the condition you may have?

[MyManao]

HUMAN USE Ivermectin..

It seems to me this is a reach. It's good that folks reach, otherwise we'll never get off this rock. But at the moment, as it is, I'm on team Moderna...

And still.. there is hope. But until those that believe in that course are able to muster enough peer reviewed data it's going to be hard to break the momentum of vaccines as the dominate tool in humanity's war against the Covid scourge. 

From.. https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/iv...s-3535912/

The WHO Therapeutics and COVID-19 living guideline is the World Health Organization's (WHO) most up-to-date recommendations of treatments of COVID-19.

Their recommendation is that ivermectin should not used in patients with COVID-19 unless it is in a research setting, as part of a clinical trial.
This recommendation is the result of a systematic review of randomised clinical trials that used ivermectin for COVID-19. After analysing the information from these studies, they believe that there is a high degree of uncertainty on whether ivermectin is helpful or harmful in treating COVID-19.

The uncertainty in some of the ivermectin trials for COVID-19 is due to

• serious risk of bias
  
• serious risk of imprecision.
  

There are far fewer randomized controlled trials (RCT) for ivermectin compared to other COVID treatments. The RCT included multiple small trials, that had fewer patients enrolled and had fewer events recorded.

More RCT are needed with higher quality of evidence to determine if ivermectin is successful at treating COVID-19.

And, as I write I can hear 'but you can't trust the WHO' droning on.. and on. Still, while I know nothing about all that, I can guarantee that if Ivermectin were really as some would suggest, the answer to all that ails us, there is no way the world wouldn't know about.

If you have real info that points to, as you say, Ivermectin's effectiveness against covid 19 (63 trials, 31 randomized controlled trials), or how it has squashed covid in the countries that have given it to their people, man, bring it on! Forget the papers, show us your links!