Green says masks will be last to go

[ironyak]

This is interesting, Pfizer’s reporting on adverse effects from the vaccine during the first 3
Months, I guess just released from the FDA under court order.

https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/202...rience.pdf

The appendix contains a list of 1200 potential side effects, examples include 15k suffering serious neurological conditions ...

Can you guys at least bother to read these reports if you're going to make (or repeat) interpretations? The 15k number for "Nervous system disorders" includes:

Headache 10131 (24.1%)
Dizziness 3720 (8.8%)
Paraesthesia [Pins & needles] 1500 (3.6%)
Hypoaesthesia [Numbness] 999 (2.4%)

Still want to cast these as "serious neurological conditions"? Note all adverse events are recorded post-vaccination, regardless if they are ultimately linked to the vaccine or not. With billions of doses administered now, it should be clear that adverse reactions are exceedingly rare.

Here you can see the states by covid statistics and population. Doesn’t seem to be much of a difference despite the narrative of say California doing everything they could, and Florida doing as little as they could. Statistically insignificant, although Florida does have the most elderly population.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Florida cases per 1 million people - 272,768
California cases per 1 million people - 227,825 (16% less than FL)
Hawaii cases per 1 million people - 167,376 (38% less than FL)

Both of these per capita results are not "statistically insignificant" and show that cases do not just track with population. You can believe anything you want, but the data clearly demonstrates the opposite and these facts are not just a matter of differing opinions. As mentioned above, no doubt you'll gish gallop onto some other claim without bothering to address how this nonsense you're peddling is constantly debunked...

[Rob Tucker]

I have to say I'm getting pretty tired of the cherry picking nonsense.

[ironyak]

What cherry-picking nonsense are you referring to Rob?

[Rob Tucker]

Not referring to you... more to taking a list of "reported" side affects (like headaches) and treating it like verified deaths.

I'm not putting up with it anymore.

[TomK]

This is interesting..

And I had so hoped the freezing of the Russian banks would have slowed you all down. I suppose you're working gratis. How patriotic.

That's simply uncalled for.

[TomK]

Not referring to you... more to taking a list of "reported" side affects (like headaches) and treating it like verified deaths.

I'm not putting up with it anymore.

You know, I'm just shocked that people don't understand this.  I probably shouldn't be, given how those that don't understand science are so prevalent online these days, but VAERS is a site that simply receives and posts data from vaccinated people and that's pretty much all it does other than lookout for unusual patterns. You can have a broken leg after being vaccinated and report it to VAERS if you want to and it's included in the data.

[HawaiiEV]

That’s not true. There are coders who go through the process of coorilating medical history, the event reported, vaccine administration and then the data is passed off to a nurse for final approval. They would not approve a broken leg as having been an adverse vaccine event and you won’t find such an example.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factchec...SL1N2TM2DP
Here is a basic article explaining the process, I just listened to an interview yesterday with a mother explaining how there was a lot of back in forth in her Dr. reporting and that it took over six months for the report to be filed.

As for the 50k pages data from Pfizer’s study released by the FDA a few days ago under court order. How exactly has that been debunked already? I don’t believe any major news sources or fact checkers have had time to go through it. Can the primary source be debunked? Maybe it can be interpreted by experts to mean different things, I guess the FDA could run their own vaccine trials per usual which they did not in this case, they took Pfizer’s trial data. It’s there, it lists 1200 vaccine reported deaths in the first 3 months. As for 15k serious nervous system issues, that was their label on the chart not my own exaggeration, you can say headaches don’t matter, etc… that’s up to your interpretation, I know someone who has chronic debilitating headaches for life not caused by the vaccine and I would consider it “serious”. 

The general concern most people have is that traditional vaccines which are typically attenuated virus types have very few side effects ever, almost nothing in the VAERS compared to now, certainly nothing like what is in Pfizer’s reports just released, people claimed things like autism and other side effects, but certainly nothing like people dying after being vaccinated. All those vaccines took something like 7 years to go through trials with the manufacture and FDA. The traditional vaccines also happen to be effective often for life, or a at least a decade or two. These vaccines were rushed through for reasons we are familiar, with only manufacture trials and they lost efficacy immediately even with boosters. Even the CDC acknowledges I now have 15 times the immunity after being infected with omicron, “a more effective vaccine” according to Bill Gates. So I think it’s only logical to assume people were going to be more hesitant and have more questions, particularly when it concerns children with little risk from covid. 99% of population over 60 is vaccinated and that makes a lot more sense.

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/...1.full.pdf

After 7 weeks the vaccine effectiveness in children 5-11 was 12%
Does it seem fair that the keiki who play school sports are forced to take these vaccines in Hawaii even though they aren’t effective? If you take into account most government health agencies acknowledge the fact that myocarditis from the vaccine is a real risk especially in the younger generations and their risk from covid is something like .00001% I think it’s only fair to question why it can be forced upon them…
You are all welcome to disagree but I’m sure you can follow my logic…

A few well credentialed scientists did say you can’t vaccinate your way out of a pandemic and they were proved correct. Covid is going to be endemic like the flu and most will get it vaccinated or not.

[kalakoa]

Anyone can shape "data" into a "conclusion" that fits their predefined notion.

TL;DR Don't feed the troll, folks.

[MyManao]

gosh gallop..

Funny, when one considers the endless stream of this kind of poster..

[kalakoa]

Studies show that racing horses do not urinate more frequently or with greater force than non-racing horses.